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Philosophy

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Kettiecat, Nov 27, 2002.

  1. Kettiecat

    Kettiecat Senior Member

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    I'm working on this problem for my philosophy class and I keep hitting a wall. The question is When does a person, or group of people, ever have the authority or right to step in and tell another person what to do? Like why does the government have the right to set up laws governing my behavior? Or if you steal something from me, what gives me the right to punch you in the face for it?


    What I've concluded is that we never have the right to do these things. Even in cases where a person is infringing on someone elses freedoms who am I to step in?

    Heres another thought. I don't have the right to steal things from a person, but do they have the right to own things that I would steal?
     
  2. OVERsketched

    OVERsketched New Jack

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    People think they have the right to do such things because there are so called rights. In reality no one should have the power to deal out punishment the problem with that though is that the world would self destruct and there would not be peace as we know it. If you look at countries were a person has total control over everything then you see they do make alot of bad decisions hence the reason for Democracy.
    I will think a bit more about it if you cant understand what I just said then in 10 minutes I will write a bit better explanation of it.
     
  3. 455

    455 Guest

    I was going to write something that would help you......and then I re-read some*of* your post and realized that it would take me a page to break it down in my words.......think about someone is is mentally ill--so ill that they can't think for themselves or have no......fuck it...good luck.
     
  4. WhAt_dA_fUcK

    WhAt_dA_fUcK Senior Member

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    first off im HIGH but.......no one gives you the right to do anything you detirmine that for yourself....regardless if the majority of the rest of the population does not agree with you....people find an opinion and defend it....
     
  5. Kettiecat

    Kettiecat Senior Member

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    But when you have a democracy all you really have is majority rule, and just because an idea is in the majority doesn't make it right. So I guess you have to break it down further, do humans have any rights at all? If we do, what are these rights? Also if someone can argue or doubt one of the "rights" you listed it can't be concidered a universal right, so are there any universal rights that all humans have?
     
  6. When does a person, or group of people, ever have the authority or right to step in and tell another person what to do?

    When the person or group of people in question is/are a raving moron(s).


    Like why does the government have the right to set up laws governing my behavior?

    Because through democracy, you give them the right to do so.


    Or if you steal something from me, what gives me the right to punch you in the face for it?

    Nothing and no one gives you that right. Which is why it feels so good to do.


    I don't have the right to steal things from a person, but do they have the right to own things that I would steal?

    Yes. They paid for it. It's not yours.




    You have a right to do anything you want. You also have the right to understand that there's consequences to everything, and you have the right to weigh these consequences against each other before you act or make a decision. Ta daa. Beer,

    El Mamerro
     
  7. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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  8. old_woman

    old_woman Guest

    my thoughts and knowledge on this ever contoversial therefore irelevant issue:

    :ahem:

    During the "creation" of the US government many ideologial factors served to influence a construction of a government that would resist the possible future instabilities that were noted from historical consequences. Of all the influences, the US chose to establish a libertarian democracy. We all have a basic idea of democracy, but libertarian is the key term to answer your question on government involvement in our lives. Libertarian is a term coined by Thomas Locke in his essay entitled "social contract". This contract he spoke of is the contract between government and the people under his government, or the ciitizens. In general, the social contract advocated that a government should nevr intrfere with the anything but the well-being of the people. The governments only purpose is to protect the people. There is no other purpose. Instead of taking matters into our own hands in issues of stealing, the government is incharge of ensuring our security, we just sign the contract and leave our personal and collective security up to the government. True, the US government seems to be playing a large role in the economy, but this is a whole different issue in itself. Remember the key word, libertarian democracy, which is the US government. A good example is the establishment of a Homeland Security Committee, which was created as soon as many large corporations were on the verge of a drastic financial crisis because of 911. But this wasnt created after Oklahoma City, why is that? maybe because Oklahoma did not scare investors and consumers as much as 911 did.

    now post a pic of your pussy again, this time with a dildo in it.
     
  9. Kettiecat

    Kettiecat Senior Member

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    to smart.


    the question was really do we as humans have the right to say "this is mine" even if we "paid" for it. No other creature on the planet "owns" things why do humans? I'm not thinking practicle here, its a philosophical question. I understand why we own things and that we need to own things but where do we get this right from? To say that an object belongs to me.
     
  10. WhAt_dA_fUcK

    WhAt_dA_fUcK Senior Member

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  11. Yes they do... all sorts of animals own territory. First who gets there and claims it, gets it. Anyone willing to challenge the owner can go right ahead and do so. Whoever wins gets the territory.

    In the case of humans, our becoming civilized has gotten rid of savagery from this scenario and brought in bureaucracy instead.
     
  12. old_woman

    old_woman Guest

    everyone is right on one thing. this is a democracy. But what that really means is those who vote are those who are listened to. Who b tends to vote in the uS? less than half the country votes Usually white old men are the most people who vote, therefore their interests are listened to. Not because one is th majority and one is in the minority is the minority completely fucked either. The mexicans hardly vote, the blacks hardly vote, the youth hardly vote, bu they do complain. Who's fault is it? the economy is good so why vote? Well thats true, there is no reason to vote if you believe that those campaigning are practically the same in interests.maybe true, maybe not. Its an analytical topic with no clear yes or no answer.

    I am not a hypocrite because I voted, I'm young and I am not "white", but i voted.
     
  13. old_woman

    old_woman Guest

    An object belongs to you if you paid for it. Through labor or through currency.
    This is more of law than philosophy it seems.
     
  14. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    what's so wrong with a "practicle philosophy"?

    plus, seems like you kinda answered Mammero more than me...

    I mean, I absolutely acknowledge the idea of ownership, no matter how temporary. Try taking something away from a baby... that's not learned behavior, also, notice the complete ambivalence displayed if you pick up a baby's favorite object when the baby is engaged with something else...
     
  15. old_woman

    old_woman Guest

    Smart is actually pretty stupid.
     
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