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PEAK OIL

Discussion in 'News' started by im not witty, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. im not witty

    im not witty Guest

    ive been reading about "peak oil" alot lately and its really fucking scary. theres so much to consider and about 99% of it is bad news. the most positive thing i can think to say is dont have kids if you havent already. because a)increasing population/ increasing demand is a large part of the problem, and b) bringing children into the most optimistic of these scenarios makes partial birth abortion seem like a deep tissue massage complete with handjob

    LIFE AFTER THE OIL CRASH

    THE LONG EMERGENCY

    THE END OF SUBURBIA

    Even Vice is getting in on this shit.

    "Remember at the beginning of Mad Max where the narrator talks about “The day the black stuff ran out.� It was a crazy nutty fantasy movie about there being no more oil. Of course, that day will never come. You know why? Because we are going to vandalize SUVs, eat more tofu, use one plastic bag instead of two, and ride a bike with a sticker that says “No Blood for Oil.� Just kidding! That will only give us about 48 more minutes of oil. What we really have to do is go through the Middle East starting wars with everyone so we can take over their land and inevitably, control their oil. Just kidding! That will only buy us another week or so. Whether you’re a college kid with a Mohawk or the most gullible president in history you can’t avoid the inevitable truth that we’re out and Mad Max is just around the corner. We warned you about this two years ago but here’s James Howard Kunstler saying the same thing only way more sciencey (and with a totally contrived happy ending). Who knew Bush and crusty punks had so much in common?"

    http://www.viceland.com/issues/v10n9/htdocs/eat.php


    lets discuss people. while the power still works.
     
  2. RumPuncher

    RumPuncher Elite Member

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    I look forward to change.
     
  3. Soup

    Soup Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 24, 2002 Messages: 4,425 Likes Received: 282
    Well 12ozers should be concerned about life in this new era for sure. With the mass of people unable to afford personal transportation the trains, muni, and subways surely will increase meaning more paint will be required to keep up meaning gas money will become the other half of paint money...

    wait what?
     
  4. im not witty

    im not witty Guest

    the price at the pumps is a small part of why this is such a big deal. everything from clothing to medicine to national defense to the food you eat is built on a base structure of infinite oil, which is a fantasy. even alternative energy sources rely on oil. it takes oil to develop and run the machinery that builds fuel cells for instance. at this rate, there will come a day when the US returns to small centralized farming communities to survive, that is if we arent all killed in resource wars before we get there.
     
  5. dumy

    dumy Veteran Member

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    I was just discussing this with coworkers the other day..sucks..time to save for the compound and malamutes
     
  6. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

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    Gee whiz, you guys are beginning to sound like the survivalist-militia wackos I knew about twenty years ago. Oh, but wait, they're all backwards and ignorant, it couldn't possibly be that they were already on the tip BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN. Unbelieveable.

    There should be some rule that if somebody decide to be a tree-huggin' liberal that they are forbidden to wake up and smell the coffee, so they will be forced to reap the consequences of what they sow.

    Small, "sustainable" farming communities. Gee, what does that sound like? Mayberry RFD, 1964.
     
  7. im not witty

    im not witty Guest

    i cant see where tree hugging when used in a negative context, has anything to do with the problem here.
     
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    im not witty Guest

  9. Dawood

    Dawood Elite Member

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    yep, then the odds will even off a little.
     
  10. Lonesome Cowboy Bill

    Lonesome Cowboy Bill Member

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    you should look at my geo-thermal energy thread...
     
  11. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

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    The solution is obvious. Stop using so much energy. We will, whether we want to do so or not, so we might as well choose some way to do it that is more comfortable than having the pump go dry.

    a.) Ride a bicycle. Fuck cars.

    b.) Build houses that are extremely well insulated, earth-sheltered if possible, that have "green" roofs with grass and bushes planted on them.

    c.) Live very close to where you work.

    d.) Install showers and locker rooms at every business, or at least somewhere close by. For instance, regional light rail stations should have a big locker room, showers, a bicycle lock-up as well as a parking lot for cars.

    e.) Increase the numbers of buses, and decrease their size, so that a jitney bus comes by every bus stop in town every fifteen minutes to carry you to light rail stations and main bus lines. The main transportation routes should be constantly fed and bled by feeder jitneys, like tributaries feeding a stream which feeds a river.

    f.) Stop paving roads. We do not need any more paved roads. People move to the boondocks to GET AWAY from paved roads, county power utilities, citry water and all the rest of "civilization."

    g.) Stop building suburban neighborhoods on farmland close to cities. How in the hell are we supposed to supply foodstuffs to cities economically if the farms are all 250 miles away from the customers? Idiocy. We need protected watersheds close to cities, as well as protected agricultural areas.

    h.) What causes rampant suburbanization is White Flight and racial animosity. Suburbia will continue to grow unabated forever unless we figure out some way to deal with these problems. Crime, antisocial behavior and a feeling of uncertainty and being threatened all the time is what drives White Flight. Since it is extremely difficult to alter people's behavior, the only other solution I can see is expotentially greater security measures to reduce people's fears of crime. During the recent past, when segregation and bare-knuckle racism was rampant, minority people were afraid to venture into White neighborhoods for fear of violence. Once this problem was addressed, and segregation in housing, employment, etc. was outlawed, White Flight began, and has never stopped. The result of this social phenomenon is voracious suburbanization, long commutes, multi-car owning families and consumption of prodigious amounts of fuel. It's all well and good to say "Well, they just shouldn't feel that way. They should be happy in a multi-cultural, multi-racial society." The problem is, they aren't. Everybody pays lip service to multi-culturalism, Martin Luther King, Jr., blah blah blah, but they STILL buy houses farther and farther and farther from the "minority" urban centers, and they STILL burn up thousands of gallons of gasoline a year commuting to and from work. Until we address these issues as a nation, we are going to remain addicted to oil.
     
  12. angelofdeath

    angelofdeath Elite Member

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    "h.) What causes rampant suburbanization is White Flight and racial animosity. Suburbia will continue to grow unabated forever unless we figure out some way to deal with these problems. Crime, antisocial behavior and a feeling of uncertainty and being threatened all the time is what drives White Flight. Since it is extremely difficult to alter people's behavior, the only other solution I can see is expotentially greater security measures to reduce people's fears of crime. During the recent past, when segregation and bare-knuckle racism was rampant, minority people were afraid to venture into White neighborhoods for fear of violence. Once this problem was addressed, and segregation in housing, employment, etc. was outlawed, White Flight began, and has never stopped. The result of this social phenomenon is voracious suburbanization, long commutes, multi-car owning families and consumption of prodigious amounts of fuel. It's all well and good to say "Well, they just shouldn't feel that way. They should be happy in a multi-cultural, multi-racial society." The problem is, they aren't. Everybody pays lip service to multi-culturalism, Martin Luther King, Jr., blah blah blah, but they STILL buy houses farther and farther and farther from the "minority" urban centers, and they STILL burn up thousands of gallons of gasoline a year commuting to and from work. Until we address these issues as a nation, we are going to remain addicted to oil."

    wow, i never thought of that. good point.
     
  13. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    I know kabar and i don't always see eye to eye but those all sound like solid suggestions to me. now we just need to get a radically green friendly administration in and we could see alot of positive, long range goals implemented. i wonder how many chapters have a viable plan for that? and what is the way for it to defeat the two headed party system that can lie, cheat, steal and kill it's way into power "legally"?
    How about economic trend slavery? Shouldn't there be more shock absorbers for these types of changes in the economy that displace millions of workers? Maybe retraining programs, something....
    Oh wait, this is about peak oil. alot of problems are interrelated. anyhow...
    dieoff.org is a good site.
     
  14. Lonesome Cowboy Bill

    Lonesome Cowboy Bill Member

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    geo-thermal energy would solve all our energy problems...
     
  15. Soup

    Soup Elite Member

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    Kabar, what is this white flight crap you're talking about? The suburbs aren't all white people running away from minorities in the city. There's tons of of people from different countries that come to live in the suburbs. What about the whole pride in ownership of land as the reason behind what fuels suburbanism?

    Where are you that they're developing needed farmland for homes? California may not be able to afford so many people moving here, but as far as agraculture, we're very self sufficient.
     
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