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open panels...who's allowed to paint and who isnt?

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by Southern kid, Jul 23, 2002.

  1. Southern kid

    Southern kid Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2000 Messages: 3,965 Likes Received: 0
    i never thought about it until recently.....the theory that there is a lack of panels in a city due to too many writers wanting their numbers. so what happens. lets say X Y and Z, 3 "known" writers want 500 a year a piece. in a perfect world thats 1500 freight cars. well newjack talent A has potential and has paid his dues, but moved to a new city and finds a chill spot. writer A paints 3 panels in this 10 car spot. X Y and Z show up..pissed that 3 of the panels are already crushed. X Y and Z now hate writer A for 'blowing the spot.' where's the happy medium? do X Y and Z sacrifice less numbers so that this new talent has a chance to be something or do X Y and Z play 'gatekeeper' and shut him out so they can get their panels for the year. should it be first come first serve? or should writer A realize that XYZ and crew were there first and A has no room to grow. and say there's 4 spots in town just like this, and thats it. so there's limited boxes...limited panels..and unlimited kids in line waiting to paint. im just curious as to what happens. any ideas? who gets what.
  2. beaucou

    beaucou Junior Member

    Joined: May 21, 2002 Messages: 175 Likes Received: 0
    umm lets see well writer A should try to link up with XYZ or vice versa.
    but in the real world theres alway gonna be writers haten one another but if A has what it takes then i see no harm in him burnin there unless he leaves a mess then that leads to heatn out one's spot so keep it clean like a diamond ring
  3. amorphic

    amorphic Guest

    anyone who isn't satisfied doing graff unless they get their correct number of cars painted a year is missing the point.
  4. Southern kid

    Southern kid Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2000 Messages: 3,965 Likes Received: 0
    okay..lets add that writer A is smart..level headed..and clean. we'll call him a super ninja. carry on.
  5. krowteN

    krowteN Member

    Joined: Jan 26, 2002 Messages: 480 Likes Received: 0
    first off, boxcars arent the only kind of cars out there...rush the hoppers, the coal cars, the gondolas....get em' all. again...if you only paint boxcars than your also missing the point.
    my opinion, in a utopic world the oldest writer or crew in the city should have layup rites (just my opinion). by rites i dont mean taking both sides of every car every time they switch in new cars. i think harmony between writers in any city is an achievable goal...but knowing writers like i do, thats almost always impossible...i know from my own experience if some kids came here and really blew up a spot then i would just take them out...with whatever...pieces, thro ups etc, but 4 pannels in a 10 car spot is hardly blowing up a spot. and im sure there are other spots in the city besides the one spot...id say writer a should try to reach some sort of common ground with xyz...wars rarely proove anything and only waste paint. if this is not possible than it should be a first come first serve thing. but then you have to go to the yard straped..if someone gets hurt then the spot will really be hot. i mean its not like there are more writers out there than trains...if we just put our egos in our back pockets for a split second we would see there is a way for all of us to get up without taking out each others spots and "gatekeeping". furthermore if these kids (xyz) are trying to do 500 pieces from one spot thats pretty fuckin stupid anyway. sorry im ramblin but its just funny to me how writers think space is really an issue on freights. its not...no matter how you slice it. there is always another spot. quit (this is not being directed at any one person) being so afraid to hit anything other than boxcars and youll see just how much space there really is out there.
  6. Southern kid

    Southern kid Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 19, 2000 Messages: 3,965 Likes Received: 0
    right on...im right with you zed. but there are cities with less freight traffic than others and there are cities with less spots than others, obviously. something i dont think ya'll picked up on was the 'known' part of the writers XYZ. A is unknown...XYZ arent. i think that also plays a big difference. zed hit on that with the ego issue. just thoughts...12oz has been kinda slow i'm trying to make my miserable hot summer more enjoyable.
  7. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    Since XYZ are known, and A knows they are from his new area, and A is sort of up-and-coming, and XYZ actually have fewer spots than you'd think given their output, I think A should have tried to hook up with XYZ before hitting any of their spots, key word "before". If XYZ are reasonable, and A is smart, clean and ninja-styled as he says, and makes it plain he wants to be doing a few panels, they can probably work something out. I think 4 out of 10 is a high number to try and take away from a serious, well-established crew with limited spots. (It's a high number to be crushing after every refresh, actually, but we assume XYZ know how to handle their spots.)
    I think if steel is very important to A, he had to know this was going to be an issue before deciding on the move to XYZville, and might have considered another location. (Of course, we can't always pick and choose the ideal place to live for reasons of $$ or schooling or whatever, so I'm not without sympathy.) And I have to say bringing up XYZ's numbers, like they're "hogging" panels, doesn't move me at all. When you have a crew that crushes shit, and newcomers move into their spots and want a cut, it's just natural to be annoyed, even if the newcomer is respectful. I have just been dealing with increasing crowds at some of my spots, and it's getting hostile. Toys are getting lined, and a guy who reminds me of A is out in the cold - nobody's calling him up to go paint, and he's been sort of fobbed off with the "leftover" spots that are sketchy or get lousy cars, even though he's a cool dude and has made it clear he respects "spot tenure". Which is kind of fucked up but it demonstrates how some people are about their steel - pretty serious.
    I hate to say this, because I know who A is and I've painted with XYZ...but the hard answer is, XYZ were there first, there's not a lot of space to share without driving 300 miles, and A really has to respect that. And the very first step would have been approaching XYZ in person.
  8. Southern kid

    Southern kid Elite Member

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    damit cracked...you're too smart for your own good. ;)
  9. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    i would say that beyond what cracked said, that writer A should try and cool things out with xyz, and then ask for a panel or two. A might not get big numbers, but he can focus on doing one or two really nice cars, as opposed to 5 regular cars. in the end, i would hope it would be just as satisfying.
    since A and xyz have mutual aquaintances, perhaps they could be employed in the initial negotiations.
  10. Cracked Ass

    Cracked Ass Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 24, 2001 Messages: 7,898 Likes Received: 47
    I make that very point in my "minifesto" in CH. 0.
  11. Remi Martin

    Remi Martin New Jack

    Joined: Jun 3, 2001 Messages: 96 Likes Received: 0
    in the last few months i seen a lot of shit gone right over. reason being, lack of panels. the heads who paint the yard paint the yard. if it rolls up its fair game. of course you gotta burn it if you go over it, but its funny, one panel was hit with three peices in two days and only one rolled out.
  12. Gnes 37

    Gnes 37 Veteran Member

    Joined: Jan 30, 2001 Messages: 7,071 Likes Received: 2
    i find myself being that A kid alot
  13. KLEVER

    KLEVER New Jack

    Joined: Jul 24, 2002 Messages: 21 Likes Received: 0
    xyz can get fucked..writer A should take that spot ..start hacking their spots around the city..and beat up the smallest guy thats xyz..then lay low...fuck freight edicat..thats retarted..nobody has the right to paint trains anyhow..i cover old streaks and do floaters..what?
  14. oldfaithful

    oldfaithful Guest

    if A has talent and xyz are going over his shit just to get numbers
    thats a pretty toy atitude -it looks to me that some of these cats out there pianting for numbers dont even look at how bland their shit looks cause there not looking at what theyre pianting just counting the numbers and not doing anything new you can be noticed for doing ill shit even if you didnt do 500 fr8s am i the only one getting sick of the repetitiveness of some xyz's
  15. Are2

    Are2 Guest

    this seems simple enough

    in a perfect world, there would be enough harmony among people with similar interests that we could all please each other with the proper freight etiquette...

    but pleasing everyone, conforming to everyone's (or even just xyz's) ideas about what is or isn't okay/fair game..is next to impossible..