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Onondagas Claim 4,000 Sq. Miles of N.Y.

Discussion in 'News' started by Dick Quickwood, Mar 11, 2005.

  1. Dick Quickwood

    Dick Quickwood 12oz Loyalist

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    By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer

    SYRACUSE, N.Y. - The Onondaga Indian Nation laid claim to this city and thousands more square miles of upstate New York in a federal lawsuit filed Friday.

    Other tribes have used such lawsuits to get casinos, but Onondaga leaders say their objectives are a cleaner environment and a bigger reservation.

    Leaders of the 1,500-member tribe say they want the state to clean up hazardous sites in the 4,000-square-mile land-claim area — specifically a Syracuse lake they consider sacred that is among the world's most polluted bodies of water.

    "Our concern is for the water, the land, the air. They are not well," said Sid Hill, the tribe's spiritual leader. "It is the duty of the nation's leaders to work for a healing of this land, to protect it, and to pass it on to future generations."

    The lawsuit lays claim to Onondaga Lake, regarded as the birthplace of the Iroquois Confederacy, among 4,000 square miles stretching from Pennsylvania to Canada and including Syracuse, Binghamton, Watertown and other cities. About 875,000 people live in the claim area.

    The Onondagas are the last tribe of the original Iroquois Confederacy to file a claim alleging that New York state illegally took possession of its lands beginning more than two centuries ago.

    Five other tribes reached settlements with Gov. George Pataki last year to drop their land claims in exchange for the governor pushing to authorize the creation of five Las Vegas-style casinos in the Catskills. The deals require the approval of the Legislature and Congress by Sept. 1.

    Hill and other Onondaga leaders on Friday reiterated their opposition to casinos.

    "It is New York's strategy to split us up," Hill said. "Divide and conquer. You can see the casino deals are splitting nations."

    The tribe wants a court to rule that New York illegally acquired 95 percent of its land in five treaties between 1788 and 1822, and that the region belongs to the Onondaga Nation.

    Although the lawsuit does not seek monetary damages, eviction of residents or rental payments, Onondaga leaders said they would use a favorable decision to negotiate a settlement that would allow the tribe to purchase land to expand its 11-square-mile reservation south of Syracuse.

    The tribe also is seeking the cleanup of 92 Superfund sites in the land claim area, including Onondaga Lake, where Allied Signal Corp. is blamed for dumping 165,000 pounds of mercury over a quarter century.

    It's suing the state, Onondaga County, the city of Syracuse and five corporations — including Honeywell International, which merged with Allied Signal in 1999.

    Honeywell has proposed spending $237 million to eliminate environmental hazards by capping the lake, but the Onondagas say the plan is inadequate.

    Pataki spokesman Todd Alhart said state attorneys will review the lawsuit and do whatever is necessary to protect property owners and taxpayers. He also defended Pataki's environmental record.

    "The cleanup and revitalization of Onondaga Lake continues to be one of the state's highest priorities," Alhart said.


    i hope they win the suit, how about you guys
  2. GnomeToys

    GnomeToys Elite Member

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    I hope they win too. They are only fighting to force the government to clean up crap it should have cleaned up a long time ago. 165,000 pounds of fucking mercury? They'd have to dump every goddamn mercury thermometer in the world into that lake 50 times to do that. Fuckers.

    I am also fairly sympathetic with all peoples that were raped, drugged, beaten, killed, infected, and poisoned by dipshit colonists back in the day. So yes. GO INDIANS!
  3. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

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    Yeah i agree with GT i hope they win and hopefully they win and can get that shit cleaned up.
  4. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

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    lake chargogagogmanchogagogcharbunagungamog
  5. villain

    villain Veteran Member

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    Good for them...
  6. GEEB

    GEEB Senior Member

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    Good luck (not being sarcastic)
  7. metallix

    metallix Elite Member

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    how about we stop calling them indians. its misleading.

    its totally disgusting what humans could contaminate the biosphere with such blatant disregard for the support systems which keep this planet alive!!!

    who could ever dump 165,000 thousand pounds of mercury into vital fresh water supplies for profit? thats sick. so sick.
  8. ODS-1

    ODS-1 Elite Member

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    I agree, I hope they win.
  9. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

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    so what do you want to call them?? injuns??

    seriously though, whats wrong with indians? natives sounds to treasure island to me...
  10. Dick Quickwood

    Dick Quickwood 12oz Loyalist

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  11. vptonbing

    vptonbing Member

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    I support the Onondaga's.
  12. hulk hogan

    hulk hogan Member

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    "many years ago your people took my land"
  13. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

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    this wasn't only about taking land.
    but about stealing resources, cultural robbery, genocide.

    the land is only the tip of the iceberg, and at this point, the least we could do.
    give it back.

    shit, at this point, maybe they should give the whole fucking country back.

    **my best friend is native american.
    she worked for the Department of Indian Health Services (aka IHS) for the U.S. government, and they all knew what 'indian' was referring to.
    since i work somewhere that is international, and i know a few Indians actually from India, i refer to American Indians as Native Americans, but i think either term is acceptable under political correctness mores.
  14. wild turkey

    wild turkey New Jack

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    What is misleading about using the term Indian? Of course when you hear the names syracuse and iroquois you are not going to mistake These indians for people from india. Politically speaking it is fine, BIA, what does the I stand for. the issue as to what we should be referred to is the least of the problems. does it matter that we are called natives or indians, or native americans?
    What we should be talking about is what this case means, is it just a facade? so what if they give them 4000 sq miles, it really doesnt mean shit if the government will do everything possible to insure that the residents will not be evicted or even demand rental payments, and to protect the taxpayers. as of now all this means is that they will be able to build some casinos. they didn't win anything yet. the rest of the 6 nations dropped their land claims so they could build casinos, what good does that do? they sold their rights so they could become more like white people. this deal will only allow them to buy land so they can produce more infrastructure so they can look like the white world.

    symbols: well if you want to live in a just society, the most logical thing to do would be to give the whole fucking country back and for the white people to get the fuck off the unceded land. realize this, every cent in every bank account in america is stolen. the fact that you're down to live with that is one of the problems with this country. me i'm not down to live with that, so i'm gonna do everything to turn the tables.
  15. sleepyceas2-

    sleepyceas2- Junior Member

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    As a mosly native american brotha myself, not only do i hope they win for the evironmental aspect but for the fact that 80 somthin % is sitting on stolen property. When you recieve stolen property, by law you are charged. So why not with this whole country? Native americans are .8% of the population according to the last cencus. Not counting the hispanics that believe they are of spanish decent, but in reality are native americans that were oppressed into christianity and speak spanish. Fuck 4,000 sq miles what about the many miles this countrys built on .. . . . .this is a start and a start no matter how small is good, lets build on it and become domanant.

    We are not Indians, they live in India. We are several tribes that collectively are called Native Americans.

    Marinate on that