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Once in a lifetime...

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Smart, Jun 20, 2002.

  1. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Should the crime of murder carry a staute of limitations of 25 years?
  2. im not witty

    im not witty Guest

    tough one.
    depends on whether i killed someone or someone killed my friend. but doesnt it always. i say yea though. if you can get away with it for that long...the running scared lifestyle is enough punishment for me
  3. Dyptheria

    Dyptheria Guest

    no. depends on the individual case. if some fool raped my girlfriend, it might drive me nuts to kill him...i shouldn't receive the same sentence for some idiot who killed someone for a monetary benefit
  4. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    ah, but doesn't a good murder also include a good 'dump'? So, the best murderers will be able to kill, dump the body, and continue living as if nothing has changed? Of course, if you keep killing people it might be argued as a 'continuous crime' under the serial killing defenitions, so nobody could expect to log a big tally, but... just a hypothetical...

    say some 18 year old kid is in a bad place in his life, maybe dealing or something, and this leads to the direct murder of 3 or 4 people in one night, but that fucks him up and he changes his ways... spends 50 years as a ham 'n egger and just toes the line... then when he's 68, evidence comes out that directly implicates him, should he die in prison? Should he get some credit for living a clean life for 50 years after the fact?
  5. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    actually, a good 'revenge;' defense was fully acceptable under Italian law from the middle ages until Musolinni took over... that's another issue, but one that we could also explore...

    so, now, it's 2 questions:
    Should Murder carry for 25 years?
    Is revenge a plausible defense for murder?
  6. JohnnyHorton

    JohnnyHorton Senior Member

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    revenge doesn't work unless you go eye for an eye... and even then i don't think it would work...
    i definately think the life sentence is more plausible than capital punishment though
  7. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    this isn't about the punishment phase at all... the first question is about the liability phase and the secong question speaks to motive... let's leave punishment for another discussion.
  8. Dyptheria

    Dyptheria Guest

    1. i don't believe in mandatory sentences for crimes. We have judges that do this. A judge makes decisions with consideration to the circumstances of the convict and the crime. A blanket law wouldn't leave any leeway.

    2. i believe that there is a temporary insanity plea. essentially the plea is based on the fact that the person wouldn't commit the crime under normal circumstances, but some situation caused irrational thinking. revenge could fall under this category. recall the bobbit case in the early nineties.

    Just my opinions. i'm open minded: if you make a good argument, i'll change my mind. i'm also open to expand on other scenarios
  9. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    goddamnit! didn't I JUST say this isn't about the punishment phase? If you need to look up "Statute of Limitations" I'll understand...
  10. Dyptheria

    Dyptheria Guest

    oh, hehe, i know what you mean...hence the scenario you proposed of the 68 year old guy.

    gotta think about this one...
  11. Dyptheria

    Dyptheria Guest

    i think everyone guilty of a violent crime needs to be brought to justice, regardless of how laong ago it was. it is at that point that a judge and jury can decide. the defendant may bring many character witnesses to show that they are now a good person. so maybe sentencing may be drastically reduced, but i think those close to the victim would like to see some from of restitution. if somone killed my dad 26 years ago, i don't care what kind of upstanding citizen he/she is, they're going to have some of their life taken from them
  12. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    is this not justification for a 'revenge' defense though? and, then, you only killed them because they killed your dad, so, if you can get away with it for 25 years... I mean, if you got an airtight revenge, would you fuck that up by shoplifting or killing other people? Especially if you're a good person that got a screw job from fate, espescially if you live a good life until you find out who killed your pops, then you get them and then you cover it up for another 25 years...

  13. Dyptheria

    Dyptheria Guest

    err... what i meant by some life taken from them was time taken away, say five years in prison.
  14. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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    so, basically, your position is that every murder deserves 'government justice', as opposed to revenge killing or something, so I'm gonna put you down under the '99 year staute' column, please correct me if I'm wrongly characterizing your position.
  15. Dyptheria

    Dyptheria Guest

    another question, this one about punishment...

    scenario one: someone kills my dad, i have to take care of five younger siblings, essentially stripped of any opportunity for college or someother persuit of my own life. all kids are raised 25 years later, and i know i would have went to medical school and be making 6 figures, but i was stuck earning minimum wage and working overtime to support five kids when i was at the age of 18. someone is convicted of the murder. the person is a wealthy businessman who is good and earns a decent living.

    scenario two: same as scenario one, except the person responsible for the crime became a monk, and dedicated their whole life to providing basic necessities and medicine to those starving and dying in third world countries.

    would you feel that the person in scenario two has served humanity in a way that would probobly exceed the amount of sacrifice i had to make and whould therefore receive less punishment than the person in scenario one?

    i dunno where i'm going with this... just thinking, thats all