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more new mrechandise..

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by dukeofyork, Aug 20, 2001.

  1. dukeofyork

    dukeofyork Guest

    one of my coworkers brought in one of those key rings with a pig on it...one like the ones off jackass.
    when you squeeze it, fake poop pokes out, you let go and it goes back inside.
    thats about it...im bored.....
  2. Tofu

    Tofu Senior Member

    Joined: Sep 23, 2000 Messages: 1,230 Likes Received: 0
    Talk about a waste of space...
  3. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26
    since it has already been provin a waste of space let me take a small time out to disscuse the cia:

    But the sense of elation did not last long. As the secret research
    progressed, the CIA ran into problems. Eventually they came to
    recognize that LSD was not really a truth serum in the classical sense.
    Accurate information could not always be obtained from people under the
    influence of LSD because it induced a "marked anxiety and loss of
    reality contact". Those who received unwitting doses experienced an
    intense distortion of time, place, and body image, frequently
    culminating in full-blown paranoid reactions. The bizarre
    hallucinations caused by the drug often proved more of a hindrance than
    an aid to the interrogation process. There was always the risk, for
    example, that an enemy spy who started to trip out would realize he'd
    been drugged. This could make him overly suspicious and taciturn to the
    point of clammy up entirely.

    There were other pitfalls that made the situation even more precarious
    from an interrogation standpoint. While anxiety was the predominant
    characteristic displayed during LSD sessions, some people experienced
    delusions of grandeur and omnipotence. An entire operation might
    backfire if someone had an ecstatic or transcendental experience and
    became convinced that he could defy his interrogators indefinitely. And
    then there was the question of amnesia, which was not as cut-and-dried
    as first supposed. Everyone agreed that a person would probably have a
    difficult time recalling exactly what happened while he was high on LSD,
    but that didn't mean his mind would be completely blank. While the drug
    might distort memory to some degree, it did not destroy it.

    When CIA scientists tested a drug for speech-inducing purposes and found
    that it didn't work, they usually put it aside and tried something else.
    But such was not the case with LSD. Although early reports proved
    overoptimistic, the Agency was not about the discard such a powerful and
    unusual substance simply because it did not live up to its original
    expectations. They had to shift gears. A reassessment of the strategic
    implications of LSD was necessary. If, strictly speaking, LSD was not a
    reliable truth drug, then how else could it be used?

    CIA researchers were intrigued by this new chemical, but they didn't
    quite know what to make of it. LSD was significantly different from
    anything else they knew about. "The most fascinating thing about it," a
    CIA psychologist recalled, "was that such minute quantities had such a
    terrible effect." Mere micrograms could create "serious mental
    confusion... and render the mind temporarily susceptible to
    suggestion". Moreover, the drug was colorless, odorless, and tasteless,
    and therefore easily concealed in food and beverage. But it was hard to
    predict the response to LSD. On certain occasions acid seemed to cause
    an uninhibited disclosure of information, but oftentimes the
    overwhelming anxiety experienced by the subject obstructed the
    interrogation process. And there were unexplainable mood swings -- from
    total panic to boundless blissout. How could one drug produce such
    extreme behavior and contradictory reactions? It didn't make sense.

    As research continued, the situation became even more perplexing. At
    one point a group of Security officers did an about-face and suggested
    that acid might best be employed as an anti-interrogation substance:

    "Since information obtained from a person in a psychotic state
    would be unrealistic, bizarre, and extremely difficult to assess,
    the _self-administration_ of LSD-25, which is effective in minute
    doses, might in special circumstances offer an operative temporary
    protection against interrogation [emphasis added]."

    This proposal was somewhat akin to a suicide pill scenario. Secret
    agents would be equipped with micro-pellets of LSD to take on dangerous
    assignments. If they fell into enemy hands and were about to be
    interrogated, they could pop a tab of acid as a preventive measure and
    babble gibberish. Obviously this idea was impractical, but it showed
    just how confused the CIA's top scientists were about LSD. First they
    thought it was a true serum, then a lie serum, and for a while they
    didn't know what to think.

    To make matters worse, there was a great deal of concern within the
    Agency that the Soviets and the Red Chinese might also have designs on
    LSD as an espionage weapon. A survey conducted by the Officer of
    Scientific Intelligence noted that ergot was a commercial product in
    numerous Eastern Bloc countries. The enigmatic fungus also flourished
    in the Soviet Union, but Russian ergot had not yet appeared in foreign
    markets. Could this mean the Soviets were hoarding their supplies?
    Since information on the chemical structure of LSD was available in
    scientific journals as early as 1947, the Russians might have been
    stockpiling raw ergot in order to convert it into a mind control weapon.

    "Although no Soviet data are available on LSD-25," the OSI study
    concluded, "it must be assumed that the scientists of the USSR are
    thoroughly cognizant of the strategic importance of this powerful
    new drug and are capable of producing it at any time."

    Were the Russian really into acid? "I'm sure they were," asserted John
    Gittlinger, one of the CIA's leading psychologists during the Cold War,
    "but if you ask me to prove it, I've never seen any direct proof of it."
    While hard evidence of a Soviet LSD connection was lacking, the CIA
    wasn't about to take any chances. What would happen, for example, if an
    American spy was caught and dosed by the Commies? The CIA realized that
    an adversary intelligence service could employ LSD "to produce anxiety
    or terror in medically unsophisticated subjects unable to distinguish
    drug-induced psychosis from actual insanity". The only way to be sure
    that an operative would not freak out under such circumstances would be
    to give him a taste of LSD (a mind control vaccine?) before he was sent
    on a sensitive overseas mission. Such a person would know that the
    effects of the drug were transitory and would therefore be in a better
    position to handle the experience. CIA documents actually refer to
    agents who were familiar with LSD as "enlightened operatives".

    Along this line, Security officials proposed that LSD be administered to
    CIA trainee volunteers. Such a procedure would clearly demonstrate to
    select individuals the effects of hallucinogenic substances upon
    themselves and their associates. Furthermore, it would provide an
    opportunity to screen Agency personnel for "anxiety proneness"; those
    who couldn't pass the acid test would be excluded from certain critical
    assignments. This suggestion was well received by the ARTICHOKE
    steering committee, although the representative from the CIA's Medical
    Office felt that the test should not be "confined merely to male
    volunteer trainee personnel, but that it should be broadened to include
    all components of the Agency". According to a CIA document dated
    November 19, 1953, the Project Committee "verbally concurred in this

    During the next few years numerous CIA agents tried LSD. Some used the
    drug on repeated occasions. How did their firsthand experience with
    acid affect their personalities? How did it affect their attitude to
    their work -- particularly those who were directly involved in mind
    control research? What impact did it have on the program as a whole?

    At the outset of the CIA's behavior control endeavors the main emphasis
    was on speech-inducing drugs. But when acid entered the scene, the
    entire program assumed a more aggressive posture. The CIA's turned-on
    strategic came to believe that mind control techniques could be applied
    to a wide range of operations above and beyond the strict category of
    "special interrogation". It was almost as if LSD blew the Agency's
    collective mind-set -- or was it mind-rut? With acid acting as a
    catalyst, the whole idea of what could be done with a drug , or drugs in
    general, was suddenly transformed. Soon a perfect compound was
    envisioned for every conceivable circumstance: there would be smart
    shots, memory erasers, "antivitamins", knock-out drops, "aphrodisiacs
    for operational use", drugs that caused "headache clusters" or
    uncontrollable twitching, drugs that could induce cancer, a stroke or a
    heart attack without leaving a trace as to the source of the ailment.
    There were chemicals to make a drunk man sober and a sober man as drunk
    as a fish. Even a "recruitment" pill was contemplated. What's more,
    according to a document dated May 5, 1955, the CIA placed a high
    priority on the development of a drug "which will produce 'pure
    euphoria' with no subsequent letdown".
  4. chizm

    chizm Senior Member

    Joined: May 29, 2001 Messages: 1,165 Likes Received: 0
    if i only had an attention span.
  5. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26

    its about lsd, there no more need to read it
  6. DoSeR

    DoSeR Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 1, 2001 Messages: 1,851 Likes Received: 0
    cool i read the whole thing.. its crazy the kinda shit the gov does
  7. curious george

    curious george Senior Member

    Joined: May 21, 2001 Messages: 1,359 Likes Received: 2

    hells yeah.