Cracksmoka Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9661094/ Scientists in Indonesia find evidence of another 'Hobbit' Associated Press October 11, 2005 HOBBIT1012 Scientists digging in a remote Indonesian cave have uncovered a jaw bone that they say adds more evidence that a tiny prehistoric Hobbit-like species once existed. The jaw is from the ninth individual believed to have lived as recently as 12,000 years ago. The bones are in a wet cave on the island of Flores in the eastern limb of the Indonesian archipelago, near Australia. The research team which reported the original sensational finding nearly a year ago strongly believes that the skeletons belong to a separate species of early human that shared Earth with modern humans far more recently than anyone thought. The bones have enchanted many anthropologists who have come to accept the interpretation of these diminutive skeletons marooned on Flores with dwarf elephants and other miniaturized animals, giving the discovery a kind of fairy tale quality. But a vocal scientific minority insists the specimens are nothing more than the bones of modern humans that suffered from microencephaly, a broadly defined genetic disorder that results in small brain size. The latest discovery on Flores to be published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature does not change their minds, they said, with one critic describing the latest artifacts as "pretty scrappy.'' And, at least two groups of opponents have submitted their own studies to other leading scientific journals refuting the Flores work. The result is a controversy unlike any other in the often-contentious study of human origins. Those caught in the middle say the debate is a real test for what we know about human evolution. Daniel E. Lieberman of the Peabody Museum at Harvard said the specimens are so unusual that they deserve a more detailed analysis in order to adequately answer the critics. "Many syndromes can cause microencephaly and dwarfism and they all need to be considered,'' said Lieberman, who wrote a commentary in Nature. "The findings are not only astonishing, but also exciting because of the questions they raise.'' In the latest Nature study, the same team of Australian and Indonesian scientists working in trenches dug in Liang Bua cave found a variety of additional bones at various depths, suggesting the cave had been occupied for tens of thousands of years by several generations. The most prominent specimen discovered in the latest batch is the lower jaw bone from a separate individual. Dating of charcoal nearby in the excavation layer suggests it is 15,000 years old. They also found the right arm of the 18,000-year old female announced last year, as well as fragments of other skeletons. The jaw reported now has a weaker chin with smaller tooth dimensions than last year's primary specimen, but otherwise shares the same characteristics. Other artifacts in the cave include cut and charred bones of stegodon, a prehistoric pygmy elephant, and other animals, as well as a variety of sophisticated stone tools. The researchers said the artifacts offer further proof that the cave's tiny inhabitants were capable of advanced thinking and behavior, like cooperative hunting. Critics say they have many lingering questions about the Flores discoveries. "This paper doesn't clinch it. I feel strongly that people are glossing over the problems with this interpretation,'' said Robert Martin, a biological anthropologist and provost of the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. In Martin's view, the more likely scenario is that the specimens belonged to an extended family of modern humans, some of whom suffered from microencephaly, which often runs in families. The critics challenge the reliability of the dating of bones and artifacts because only a few pieces of charcoal — presumably from fire pits — were analyzed. Also, water drainage may have helped jumble the older specimens with the more recent. And, they argue, the stone tools found are of the type known to be made only by modern humans. The brain size of the specimens found suggest it's unlikely such a people could have used the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Alls I wanna know is... what the fuck is a wonk saggin??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 only niggas know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Damn... I guess that means I aint a nigga. :burn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 you might be jewish. perhaps you'll get some money for being so. niggas know-wonk saggin...i can't get any more specific...i'll be killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Nothing Jewish here. I know alota niggas and I never heard that shit other than on here. Is it a west coast or down south thing? Or a 12oz thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnomeToys Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 It's a 12oz thing. I think a white kid started it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_grim540 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 please believe.... a white kid started it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 So what does it mean??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 it means that o'doyle rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Trotter Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Ha ha, wonk saggin indeed. SF1, you just ain't wonk enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shameless self promotion Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 :haha: :haha: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Dazzle Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Originally posted by SF1@Oct 11 2005, 09:44 PM So what does it mean??? Quoted post Oh my god you're an idiot.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I'm an idiot cause I don't know what the fuck "wonk saggin" means? Ok buddy. Eat a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Wonk Saggin is Niggas Know backwards. :tongue: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Oh... Thanks Fermentor. Now niggas know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shameless self promotion Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Can this be moved to Ch.0 so the hilarity can insue?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 hahaha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakatau Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I didn't read it, but good post. Interesting topic, and fucking hell you're blank sometimes, SF. Whatever happened to Smart making wonk saggin shirts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebineezer Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 i think there is a show on the discovery channel coming up about this topic.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuckedupafro Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 what? wonk saggin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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