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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Retired Hasbeen, Sep 20, 2001.

  1. Retired Hasbeen

    Retired Hasbeen Member

    Joined: May 9, 2001 Messages: 567 Likes Received: 0
    Thursday September 20 5:38 AM ET

    Bin Laden Ready for Trial if Proof Given - Taliban

    By Tom Heneghan

    ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden is ready to stand trial on suspicion of attacks against the United States if Washington provides the evidence, the Taliban's deputy ambassador in Islamabad said on Thursday.

    Suhail Shaheen told Reuters that the Afghan-based bin Laden, named by Washington as the prime suspect in last week's bombings in the United States, could be tried in Kabul or in another Muslim country.

    ``If there's evidence, he is ready for a trial,'' Shaheen said. ``He said 'I am not involved, I am a guest (in Afghanistan). If they have evidence, I am ready'.''

    They envoy spoke at his embassy in Islamabad shortly before senior Afghan clerics meeting in Kabul issued an edict urging bin Laden to leave Afghanistan whenever possible.

    Shaheen said Washington was not providing evidence because its real purpose was to combat Islamic governments, both the hardline system the Taliban have established in Afghanistan and the more moderate system in Pakistan.

    ``We want to solve the problem with talks, but they say 'no','' he said, stressing that Kabul condemned the stunning attacks that has left an estimated 6,000 people dead or missing in New York and Washington.

    ``They want to destroy Afghanistan and Pakistan,'' he said. ''Even if Osama is handed over to them, they will find another excuse to destroy both these Islamic nations. When that's over, they will find a third and a fourth (excuse).''

    Asked where a trial could be held, Shaheen said a council of Afghan religious leaders would decide the location.

    ``One option is Kabul,'' he said. ``If America provides the evidence, we would put Osama on trial.''

    DIFFERENT APPROACHES

    Up until now, though, the United States seemed unwilling to address the problem the way the Afghan government wanted to solve it, Shaheen said.

    ``In America, they only want to answer to the emotions of the people,'' he argued. ``They are not using their wisdom and prudence.''

    ``They say there is no time for talks. They have already decided they will attack Afghanistan.''

    But the Afghans had long experience with world powers trying and failing to subjugate their rugged, mountainous country.

    ``The former Soviet Union told us the same thing, and they were more arrogant than the Americans. It proved that such an attitude is a failure.''

    The Soviet Union, which invaded Afghanistan in 1979 to prop up a shaky pro-Moscow government and pulled out in defeat 10 years later, eventually had to sit down and talk with the Afghans.

    ``If the United States attacks, there will be a time when they will have to talk, too,'' he said.

    Shaheen said Washington would have the same problem as Moscow did if it tried to install a government of its choosing.

    ``That will start another cycle of jihad (holy war),'' he warned. ``And when they are tired, they will have to talk.''

    Shaheen, who spoke in English, argued the United States would be flouting its own principles if it attacked Afghanistan to punish it for harboring bin Laden before giving evidence that he had
    committed any crimes.

    ``In America or Afghanistan, a person is innocent until he is proven guilty,'' he said. ``You need solid proof and evidence.''
     
  2. >the americans have to be extremely careful how this whole
    thing is conducted. if they decide to enter pakistan and use
    the airspace for an indefinite time period, they are fucking
    over pakistan large; pakistan is already a hurtin' country
    and this will just make them worse off, economically, socially
    and it will just add to the anti-west sentiments that thrive
    there. the americans should talk and use every available
    option BEFORE military strikes, because i'm afraid that
    the glaring ramifications could be perpetual.
    its interesting how this spokesperson seems
    to overlook mr. bin laden's admittance of previous terrorist
    crimes against the states that still go unanswered for.
    i believe they are biding there time for a reason other than what they
    are making obvious.
    complexity defined.

    [This message has been edited by Cloud Trapeze (edited 09-20-2001).]
     
  3. bigpoppa.k

    bigpoppa.k Elite Member

    Joined: May 2, 2001 Messages: 3,150 Likes Received: 17
    one thing you have to realize as well is that the U.S. has been 'talking' for the last 8 years. i'm not saying that they should just go in and bomb the hell out of them, but come on, they've been asking for the man head for long enough now. they didn't want to talk then, why do they want to talk now?
    it is a very tricky situation indeed...
     
  4. do we know that going in and bombing is
    going to help anything? afghans are hardened
    war vets and these people have no problem
    dying for their beliefs, not to mention things
    probably can't get any worse economically OR
    socially...
    they have nothing to lose in this sense.
    americans have talked for along time,
    and in that time blotched and botched many
    things along the way with military action becuz
    of hasty decisions and maybe not enough
    'diplomacy'....i know what you're saying though...
    complexity defined.
     
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