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Le Tour de France*

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by boxcarwilly, Jul 11, 2001.

  1. boxcarwilly

    boxcarwilly Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 8, 2000 Messages: 1,288 Likes Received: 0
    so i guess i am fulfilling some journalistic quality... i am probably gonna post a bunch of velonews articles and then hook it up with a personal opinion like barstool talk that alot of french channels do... but more like from the power tools saddle...
  2. boxcarwilly

    boxcarwilly Senior Member

    Joined: Nov 8, 2000 Messages: 1,288 Likes Received: 0
    July 7
    alrighty for those who dont follow the tour... it is basically a 21 stage race touring through france and it is the cream of the crop bike race. it weeds out the distance riders and the sprinters and the climbers and makes men out of men. it is a combination of every specialty in road racing the aforementioned categories need to be ridden hard and well and strategic. since the goal of the tour is the yellow jersey (le maillot jaune) there is a way of scoring based on time... general classification (GC) so they basically in laymens terms score by the fastest rider in all stages so potentially a rider doesnt need to win a stage to win the tour just do amazing overall... example lance last year only one stage won... so since the first stages are all out flats with small climbs and alot of sprints most of the riders finish in a large pack (peloton) which doesnt allow for an even keeled time recording so they all start in the prologue... its an 8.2 kilometre race quick and easy but gives everyone a jumpstart to hook up with the yellow jersey evenly. so here is the results...

    oh yeah there are 4 jerseys a winner can grab
    green=sprints (there are sprints throughout the stages that the fastest rider can get time subtracted from his total, and they also win some decent cash for winning a sprint jersey)
    polka dots=mountains (same as the sprints but an uphill battle, first one to the top of a peak the later stages are tough alpe d'hues and shit)
    white=young (best rider under 25)

    from velonews:
    The prologue of any three-week tour is unlike any of the other stages. On Saturday, the Tour de France's 21 teams were cloistered together in the parking lot of the municipal swimming pool in Dunkirk, with riders spending most of their day hanging around the team buses, warming up, shuttling back and forth from team hotels, and smiling for the media. Crowds gather around each team's area, which is marked off by police tape. And judging by the masses gathered around the U.S. Postal and Telekom camps, there are two overwhelming favorites for this year's Tour: American Lance Armstrong and German Jan Ullrich. At the prologue, though, the top French rider from last year's Tour, Festina's Christophe Moreau, stepped into the spotlight by covering the flat, 8.2km course in the fastest time of the day, 9 minutes 20 seconds. ONCE's Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano was second, three seconds behind, while Armstrong and Ullrich were right behind, in third and fourth place.

    On Saturday morning reconnaissance rides on the prologue course, the Tour teams were treated to wet, rainy conditions, which would have demanded caution from race favorites such as Armstrong and Moreau. However, by the 4:00 p.m. start, the course was dried out, despite gray clouds that still loomed overhead in the seaside town on the northern tip of France.

    The reports coming back from the early starters were fairly consistent. The course was flat and non-technical, and the effort was all-out.

    "They're good corners, they're good surface," said Crédit Agricole's Jonathan Vaughters. "I mean, you can go for it. Basically what I said to [teammate] Jens [Voigt] was if there was something to crash on in those corners, I would have crashed on it, because I dove right into it.
    "The fact that I'm up, and don't have any broken bones, means you can pretty much go for it in the corners," he added jokingly.

    Midway through the race, the clouds thickened and a few raindrops fell, but the expected rain showers never materialized, leaving the path clear for the favorites.

    Armstrong got plenty of feedback from the teammates who preceded him, despite problems for Tyler Hamilton, whose saddle slipped downward shortly into his ride, and George Hincapie, who is recovering from a cut tendon and artery in his hand, suffered a week ago while taking dishes out of his dishwasher. Hincapie still finished a solid 23rd, in 9:39, but Armstrong's best markers came from Norwegian Steffen Kjaergaard, whose time was third fastest of the day when he finished, eventually placing him in 18th place.

    When the final starters began to cross the line, the biggest surprise was the time of 10:02 turned in by last year's prologue winner, David Millar (Cofidis). The Scottish rider suffered a blown rear tire, causing him to crash in the second-to-last corner, just before the windy finishing stretch along the beach in Dunkirk.

    Meanwhile, Gonzalez de Galdeano had set the fast time of the day, 9:23, which held up until Moreau, who started fourth from last. The Frenchman took heed of the early feedback, attacking the nine-corner, counter-clockwise course with reckless abandon. Over his 9 minute 20 second ride, he turned over a gear of 54x14 for most of the race and then 54x13 at the finish, and beat Gonzalez de Galdeano's time by three seconds.

    Still to come were Ullrich and Armstrong, but the German managed only 9:27, good enough for fourth, while Armstrong came home in 9:24, to take third behind Moreau and Gonzalez de Galdeano.

    "I'm not disappointed. I felt good warming up, I felt good the last few weeks," said Armstrong. "Moreau was one of my favorites, that's no surprise today. He's a French winner, and that's good for the fans. And a good guy, too. He deserves to be there and ... we'll see."
  3. boxcarwilly

    boxcarwilly Senior Member

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    STAGE 1
    July 8
    from velonews:
    The story of Stage 1 of this year's Tour de France seems typical enough for an opening road stage: a slow early pace; a long, eventually unsuccessful breakaway; a mass field sprint; and a stage win by one of the star sprinters of the Tour, Telekom's Erik Zabel. Routine enough, but the 194.5km stage from Saint-Omer to Boulogne-sur-Mer in the very north of France was anything but an ordinary, flat, sprinters stage. The stage began in the town of Saint-Omer, about 50km inland from the North Sea. Under gray skies and a light drizzle, 188 starters rolled out of town. Lotto-Adecco's Fabian De Waele was the only non-starter, victim of a hairline fracture of his right hip, suffered during a crash in Saturday's prologue in Dunkirk.

    As the race headed south, beginning a clockwise route that would wind back toward the sea, it passed not through French countryside, but rather a steady progression of small towns, all dressed up for the Tour. The first Sunday of the Tour is always a huge crowd attraction, but with the race passing through so many towns and villages, the number of spectators swelled to even more than normal. Along with the crowds, though, the route also meant a steady progression of tight, narrow passages into and out of town centers, making for a very nervous opener. Add in an undulating road, with a few tough hills thrown in, and it seemed like a recipe for the unexpected. Except, nobody told Jacky Durand. The popular Frenchman went on the type of attack that he's known for - early and long. With heavy cross- and head winds, the early pace was slower than any projected schedule, a very modest 37.8km covered in the first hour. The second hour was even slower, covering just more than 34km. In other words, a perfect time for Durand to attack at the 55km mark.With the peloton not reacting at all, Durand was joined by Christophe Oriol (Jean Delatour), and their lead quickly exploded to nine minutes within the next 30km. About the only thing that could stop them was a train crossing that held them up for about three minutes, but race officials held the peloton up for the same time, leaving the two escapees free for a little longer.While Durand and Oriol's escape was doomed to fail, the one thing it did do was slow Ag2R's Jaan Kirsipuu's assault on Christophe Moreau's yellow leader's jersey. With three intermediate sprints offering time bonuses to the winner, the Estonian's plan was to slowly erase the 15-second deficit he had at the beginning of the day, and he got off to a good start by winning the first bonus sprint. However, with the two escapees sweeping away most of the bonus time at the second and third sprints, Kirsipuu would have to be content with moving up to fourth place, seven seconds behind Moreau, who held onto the yellow jersey for another day.
    The two leaders were finally caught with 15km to go, just as the race crested a hill that brought them within sight of the sea. From there, it was a nervous run-in, particularly with a series of narrow roads and traffic islands on the way through the town of Wimeraux and into Boulogne-Sur-Mer.

    what i have to say. i personally hate erik zabel have never liked him he threatened lances wins over the last couple years just due to the fact that he is a sick ass sprinter... and a shit load of miles how the man continues to sprint like a spring chicken amazes me actually it pisses me off i love sprinting but after along fucking day of work on my bike i cant even fathom sprinting with all my heart argh zabel you dick.
  4. boxcarwilly

    boxcarwilly Senior Member

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    STAGE 2
    July 9

    from velonews:
    The Tour de France yellow jersey is one of those prizes that is known and coveted in the sports world for its history and prestige. Like the NHL captain who hoists the Stanley Cup, or the golfer who slides into the green jacket at the Masters, the rider who dons the maillot jaune at the end of the Tour de France has worldwide recognition. Everybody knows that the Postal Service's Lance Armstrong has pulled that jersey on in Paris each of the past two years, and is one of the favorites to do so again. But in the early stages of the Tour, it's a whole different breed of rider who chases after the leader's jersey. On Monday's stage 2, from Calais to Antwerp, Belgium, Rabobank's Marc Wauters became the second rider to lead the Tour de France this year, but not before a tough fight from Crédit Agricole's Stuart O'Grady. The Belgian Wauters began the day in 12th place, just 15 seconds behind race leader Christophe Moreau of Festina. But the two names who most people were looking at to fight for the lead were the Australian O'Grady and Estonian Jaan Kirsipuu (Ag2R Prevoyance). Those two fit one profile of potential first-week race leaders: savvy sprinters who are willing to battle it out each stage at several intermediate sprint points, where the top three are awarded time bonuses of 6, 4 and 2 seconds, respectively. And they're also strong enough to be there in the sprint stage finishes, where more bonuses - 20, 12 and 8 seconds - are up for grabs. Both O'Grady and Kirsipuu have gone this route before, with O'Grady wearing the yellow jersey in the first week of the 1998 Tour and Kirsipuu doing likewise in 1999.
    The 220.5km stage 2 had three of those intermediate sprints along the route, at 41km, 133km and 184km. But with a strong tailwind on the route east and north into Belgium, there were also other possibilities. "It could be an interesting day," said O'Grady's teammate Jonathan Vaughters at the start. "Good day for a breakaway, with the tailwind." But the race held to form for the sprinters at least until the first mid-stage sprint, where Kirsipuu beat O'Grady to the line, edging to within 1 second of the overall lead. After that, there was a brief breakaway at the 47km mark by nine riders, including Jacky Durand (La Française des Jeux) and Johan Museeuw (Domo-Farm Frites), but they never gained more than 28 seconds.
    More significant was a move by nine riders that began at the 90km mark, including initiators Christophe Agnulotto (Ag2R), Eddy Seigneur (Jean Delatour) and Ludovic Auger (Big Mat-Auber 93), who were joined by six others - Matteo Tosatto (Fassa Bortolo), Vicente Garcia-Acosta (iBanesto.com), Bram De Groot (Rabobank), Stive Vermaut (Lotto-Adecco), Ludo Dierckxsens (Lampre-Daikin) and Fred Rodriguez (Domo-Farm Frites).
    At that point, the peloton was flying, rolling along at an average of 50kph on flat Belgian roads that were jammed packed with what seemed like the entire population of the Flanders region of Belgium. Included on the route was Vermaut's hometown of Torhout, filled with supporters of the former U.S. Postal rider in his first Tour de France. And the 25-year-old was lucky enough to still be out front at that point, 102.5km into the race, and the breakaway wouldn't be caught until the 145km mark. That was fortunate for Vermaut, but the chances of success were slim for the nine riders. "If you look at the odds of a break that far out to stay away, it's pretty much not possible," said Rodriguez, the American national champion who was merely marking the move, but not contributing to the effort. "You have to be a dumb rider to ride [hard] in one of those."
    "I felt better today," added the American, who lost 5:45 after getting caught behind a split in yesterday's stage. "That was another reason for not going hard in the break, because I didn't know how I was feeling, so it wasn't worth my effort to try. Also I played the odds and the odds were against that break staying away."


    my thoughts:

    i am a huge fan of rabobank go to euroduds.com and look at their jerseys and they are belgians and under dogs so when you shine coming into your own country it must feel sick. and this was a sick stage, credit agricole was kicking ass almost the whole ride with ogrady trying to punch it in for the yellow... but hometown pride is a big thing in bikes and wauters kicked it up a notch to take it home.
    i cant wait to get my oln tapes so i can see the last 10 k
  5. boxcarwilly

    boxcarwilly Senior Member

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    STAGE 3
    July 10
    After two days of chasing time-bonus sprints to try to get his hands on the leader's yellow jersey at the Tour de France, Australia's Stuart O'Grady did it the old-fashioned way on Tuesday -- by finishing in the lead group of stage 3. Meanwhile the race leader at the start of the day, Rabobank's Marc Wauters, fell far behind on the difficult climbs in the Ardennes region of Belgium. At the finish line in Seraing, Telekom's Erik Zabel took his second stage win of the week, thanks to the smooth teamwork of his Telekom team, while O'Grady finished in the pack, but took the race lead by 17 seconds over France's Christophe Moreau (Festina). The day began as a dream for the Belgian Wauters, who took over the race lead on Monday in Antwerp, just about 60km from his hometown of Lummen. As fate would have it, Lummen was part of the 198.5km route for stage 3, and Wauters's friends, family and fans were all out in force, many wearing freshly minted yellow T-shirts that proudly stated: "Wauters supporter."

    The mass of people spilled out into the street as the race entered town, and the entire peloton rolled to a momentary halt as Wauters was allowed to enjoy an incredible moment in his hometown.

    But while the day would provide that early, improbable moment for Wauters, the second half of the day would see him suffering off the back, to the benefit of O'Grady. For the Australian, taking over the yellow jersey signaled redemption after a devastating finish to stage 2, when he missed out on a golden opportunity to take the yellow jersey for himself. O'Grady was part of a 16-man breakaway on Monday, along with three other teammates, and only 11 seconds behind the overall leader. Staying away in the breakaway and placing top 3 would have almost guaranteed him the yellow jersey on Monday. But unaware of the threat that Wauters posed, just four seconds behind him in the standings, O'Grady let his chance slip away, finishing only fifth on the stage. "Yesterday was probably the most disappointing day of my life," O'Grady said Tuesday evening. "I was very very upset after all the work the team did yesterday. I didn't realize yesterday that Wauters was so dangerous. It was devastating." On Tuesday, however, O'Grady got one of those rare second chances. The day's route was a difficult one, beginning in the flat roads and crosswinds around Antwerp, and then making its way into the lush hills of the Ardennes region of Belgium, home to the spring classics Liège-Bastogne-Liège and Flèche Wallonne. The first 125km were flat out and hard because of the winds, and the final 75km gave the riders their first taste of climbing in this year's Tour de France.


    pissed at zabel again the prick is such a good sprinter... this was almost a chess game for the past 2 stages with o grady and the credit team knowing they needed this shit so they strategized to get o grady in the yellow jersey this is early and why i love the tour plus lance is 7th and still has the tt's to come his jam.
  6. BoB Hope ONER

    BoB Hope ONER Elite Member

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    im curious just to see who replies to this.. and.. what to say..

  7. pacman

    pacman Member

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  8. uglyfe

    uglyfe Member

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    my friend had skin cancer and he rides alot so lance armstrong sent him a bunch of gear and signed stuff. it's pretty cool.


    way to go willy, this is making my life even lazier. i to can't fathom theese guy's sprinting abilities.
  10. inkjunkie34

    inkjunkie34 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 9, 2001 Messages: 1,614 Likes Received: 0
    get a life...go out and paint for the love of god

    jus me and you muthafucka jus me and you...i'll put trade marks around your fuckin eye
  11. chizm

    chizm Senior Member

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  12. Joker

    Joker Dirty Dozen Crew

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    I was so saddened when Dave Millar fell! I was really hoping he would make it two in a row for the prologue. And even now, here in stage 3, (haven't seen four yet today) he's minutes behind because of it. Not that I thought he had a chance of staying in yellow if he won the prologue, but it would have been cool.

    The tension between Ullrich and Armstrong is so apparent in the peleton. It seems like every time one or the other makes a move, it's matched. It's going to be interesting when they get to the mountains. I know I should be hands up for Armstrong, but I'd really like to see Ullrich win. And to see Casagrande on the podium in Paris would be really cool as well. Especially after the Giro de Italia. But so far things look bad for him as far as time is concerned. I wonder if he's still recovering from his fall?

    What about the team selection? I was so suprised that Mercury didn't get in!! I know they're a first year division1 team, but come on! They dominated the early season races. They should have been there instead of Big Mat. Big Mat hasn't done shit all year.

    Thanks for posting the velo reports!

  13. kidlugz

    kidlugz Guest

    i think the reason some of the stronger teams like mercury didn't get in is because tour organizers wanted a larger number of french riders in the race. hence, alot or teams who proved themselves throughout the year got left out in the cold. there's something like 58 frenchmen competing this year.

    [This message has been edited by kidlugz (edited 07-11-2001).]


    i think i dislike the french. i sincerly hope your being sarcastic there ink junkie.
  15. jointhedotz

    jointhedotz Member

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    tour de france is futura's thing yeah?...i heard that the spanish geezer who won it a while back was such a superfit fucker that his heartbeat was something ridiculous like 30bpm...havent caught it on tv yet cause its still all 'wimbledon wimbledon', but at least that goon sampras got shafted.