Mr. Chad Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Updated: 10:06 AM EDT Police Officers Kill Man, Baby Girl in Standoff Man Opened Fire on Police While Holding Baby By ANDREW DALTON, AP LOS ANGELES (July 11) - Police officers shot and killed a man Sunday night when he emerged from his home carrying a young girl following an hours-long standoff and opened fire, wounding one officer, authorities said. The girl was also killed in the gunfire. Talk About It · Post a Message The man killed was identified as Jose Raul Lemos, and the girl, about 17 months old, was related to him, police said. The officer, who was not immediately identified, was shot in the shoulder and was expected to survive. There were three exchanges of gunfire between police and Lemos, who was either age 34 or 35, Assistant Police Chief Jim McDonnell told reporters. In the final exchange, at around 6:20 p.m., Lemos held the girl as he shot. ''We did everything we could to hold our fire,'' McDonnell said. ''We showed a tremendous amount of restraint, but unfortunately the suspect's actions dictated this. ... It's a true tragedy.'' Broadband: Baby Dies in Standoff The standoff began at around 3:50 p.m. when officers responded to an area in South Los Angeles west of Watts after residents reported a man behaving erratically and aggressively. Lemos fired at the officers and ran inside a fenced area that included his apartment and his car wash and detailing business. He had a 9 mm handgun and a shotgun and was intoxicated on drugs and alcohol, police said. Police called in a SWAT team and tried to speak with the man; when they at one point attempted to help a neighbor escape the area, he fired at them and they fired back, McDonnell said. Officers were struggling with the thought that they killed an infant, he said. ''The officers are taking it very hard,'' McDonnell said. ''Anytime you have a baby killed, it takes its toll.'' http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.ad...711015409990002 these assholes better be taking it real hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_dowmagik Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 assholes? if someone was bucking at me i dont give a fuck if theyre holding the dali llama, id do the same thing. yes its sad, but what else were they to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 blaazed Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 its deff. a tragedy, but i have no resenment towards the cops, they had to do whathey had to do, its not there fault her pops didnt care for her life or his own. what did he exspect? he can shoot atr the police while he hold his baby and they wont shoot bacK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullet Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I didnt even read all this. But taking the life of a baby is plain horrible. I dont wish death upon anyone, especially kids who have never got to explore the advantages of living. Fuck that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Fuentes Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 YEAH YOU KNOW RIGHT THERE BUDDY HAVE TO PUT IN WERK BUDDY IS MY JOB THE LAW, COUGH COUGH CRACK IS GOOD FOR COPS. LETS MATCH ONE GUYS GIT R DONE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 damn, that's horrible news..the article reads like the cops involved wish they could have prevented it from happening... edit: for sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondles Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 uhhhh..not shoot?? sniper? projectile bean bags? fuck that, whoever baby momma is, she straight for life. rip baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Originally posted by Seldoon@Jul 11 2005, 10:09 AM uhhhh..not shoot?? sniper? projectile bean bags? fuck that, whoever baby momma is, she straight for life. rip baby Quoted post good point. I wish I knew more of the details... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPORTO Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 could have blown his legs apart first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CACashRefund Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Originally posted by Seldoon@Jul 11 2005, 08:09 AM uhhhh..not shoot?? sniper? projectile bean bags? fuck that, whoever baby momma is, she straight for life. rip baby Quoted post He had a baby in front of him, snipers are well trained but theyre not supermen. And theres two reasons projectile bean bags wouldnt have worked or any "non-lethal" alternative, had the man gone down, he might have dropped the baby, which could have done some serious if not lethal damage to the child. And sometimes after being hit with these he still could have fired back, its been known to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalist Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 RIP still fuck the police......... and may this haunt them in their dreams FOREVER!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondles Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 oh well shit, we don't want him to drop the baby, anything other than minor to serious injury is acceptable. let's just shoot her up instead. and he was already firing, so him firing after being shot with the bean bags is a moot point. and snipers don't need to be supermen???? they don't get in faces, they shoot from afar. From what i recall...that's what they are trained specifically to do, eliminate bad guys by targeting key areas with minimal damage to the surrounding area i.e. the baby in his arms. I doubt he had the baby draped over his head to prevent head shots. And i heard nothing about protective head gear. Fuck that. and fuck cops. specifically LA cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chad Posted July 11, 2005 Author Share Posted July 11, 2005 they said the guy walked out the door with the baby in his hands??? How does that give them the go ahead to shoot. It didnt say he was doing any provokative movements when he walked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblersGrin Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 oh wah wah someone got shot by a cop because he shot at a cop. wah wah i dont want to live in this cowboys and indians world anymore. dear maker of this thread, if you would be willing to stand at a distance of 100 yards away on a 2 foot tree stump for a period of 10 minutes while i, at the opposite side of our "100 yards and 10 minutes of 10 guns super fun time" begins that may i fire 10 various weapons at you standing on aforementioned tree stump for a periodic rational time stamp of 1 minute per gun (one). i so much reading your personal philosophy on how someone should not shoot back when they are being shot at that i will even buy you dinner at the cheesecake factory. you are a true american patriot. we should all stand and booty clap for you. truly and madly, gamblers grin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chad Posted July 11, 2005 Author Share Posted July 11, 2005 the guy shot at a cop way before he got killed. When he "walked" out the house they unloaded. It didnt say he made any attmept to shoot again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 oh man, this is about to get moved to crossfire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblersGrin Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. Chad@Jul 11 2005, 11:24 AM the guy shot at a cop way before he got killed. Quoted post like you say, "the guy shot at a cop way before he got killed," and chances are a great thing, that too, will be in favor when i shoot at you for 10 minutes and have as many bullets i can whizz off in 10 minutes at hitting you. i enjoy this. this anticipation is making me hungry for lamb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chad Posted July 11, 2005 Author Share Posted July 11, 2005 haha yea but i mean after he shot the cop he ran into some house and supposedly an hour later he walked out and they shot at him. I mean there supposed to arrest him and shit not get revenge or whatever they were thinkin by killin him. Plus he wasnt makin and provactive moves when he surrendered to the cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pilau Hands Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. Chad@Jul 11 2005, 11:24 AM the guy shot at a cop way before he got killed. When he "walked" out the house they unloaded. It didnt say he made any attmept to shoot again. Quoted post Right. I'm sure he shot at a cop, and then went inside and put the gun down. Then, he came out with a baby. They must have thought, "He's holding a baby, here's our chance." Come on man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 ^^^what do you think was the likeliest scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermentor666 Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Originally posted by GamblersGrin@Jul 11 2005, 11:21 AM oh wah wah someone got shot by a cop because he shot at a cop. wah wah i dont want to live in this cowboys and indians world anymore. dear maker of this thread, if you would be willing to stand at a distance of 100 yards away on a 2 foot tree stump for a period of 10 minutes while i, at the opposite side of our "100 yards and 10 minutes of 10 guns super fun time" begins that may i fire 10 various weapons at you standing on aforementioned tree stump for a periodic rational time stamp of 1 minute per gun (one). i so much reading your personal philosophy on how someone should not shoot back when they are being shot at that i will even buy you dinner at the cheesecake factory. you are a true american patriot. we should all stand and booty clap for you. truly and madly, gamblers grin Quoted post Exactly. Its amazing how many of you half-wits didnt bother to read the article. Homeslice was shooting at an unarmed civilian AND cop as they were trying to flee for cover. The standoff had gone on for hours and dude was high as shit. Theres probably unmentioned reasons as to why snipers couldnt take the guy out as I'm sure the cops wouldnt just say "hey you know what, fuck em both...". They know how much of a shitstorm that would land them in. God some of you people are stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunTimePartyTeam Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Fuck.. Double post sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLIK$ Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 DOWN WITH THE MAN!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunTimePartyTeam Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Well i say fuck that guy for trying to hide behind a baby, or even having a baby with him while wigging out and playing with his gun. RIP baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fondles Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 OK, so to be objective, I suppose the police probably did try to not use force until it was demanded. And it is possible that they weren't out to merk everything in sight. And he did wound an officer, which usually makes their dicks hard, so he was kinda asking for it. She was just an unfortunate casualty. But i still don't like cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 that was insensitive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroya Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 hey, shit happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 check out what media SPIN does to a news story... Man and baby die in siege gunfire 11/07/2005 - 07:55:53 Police officers shot and killed a man when he emerged from his Los Angeles home carrying a young girl following an hours-long stand-off and opened fire, wounding one officer, authorities said. (bascially the rest fo the article is the same, but the title suggests he was besieged) and what poor MOM has to say... Baby Killed in Police Shootout LOS ANGELES-July 11, 2005 — The mother of a toddler killed in a gunfight between Los Angeles police and the child's father says she pleaded with officers not to fire. Lorena Lopez tells a Los Angeles TV station that she told officers the father of her toddler "needed help" but "they didn't understand." Lopez says the officers "fired, like, 300 shots." Assistant Police Chief Jim McDonnell says the man "was using the baby as a shield." Police say Jose Raul Lemos was holding his daughter as he fired at police after a standoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 that must've been one BIG ASS baby to be a shield for an entire grown man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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