1. Welcome to the 12ozProphet Forum...
    You are currently logged out and viewing our forum as a guest which only allows limited access to our discussions, photos and other forum features. If you are a 12ozProphet Member please login to get the full experience.

    If you are not a 12ozProphet Member, please take a moment to register to gain full access to our website and all of its features. As a 12ozProphet Member you will be able to post comments, start discussions, communicate privately with other members and access members-only content. Registration is fast, simple and free, so join today and be a part of the largest and longest running Graffiti, Art, Style & Culture forum online.

    Please note, if you are a 12ozProphet Member and are locked out of your account, you can recover your account using the 'lost password' link in the login form. If you no longer have access to the email you registered with, please email us at info@12ozprophet.com and we'll help you recover your account. Welcome to the 12ozProphet Forum (and don't forget to follow @12ozprophet in Instagram)!

kyoto protocol: putin in the hot seat

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by BROWNer, Aug 7, 2003.

  1. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    kyoto protocol: putin in the hot seat

    Discussion started by BROWNer - Aug 7, 2003

    One man can take the heat off. Will he heed the global warning?

    By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor

    07 August 2003


    The temperature in central London yesterday reached 35.4C (95.7F) - the hottest on record - with Gravesend in Kent even hotter, at 35.9C (96.6F). Even in Glasgow it was in the 80s Fahrenheit, and the UK record of 37.1C (98.8F) could be broken on Saturday, forecasters said, as all across Europe the merciless sun roasts citizens, sets forests ablaze and makes rivers run dry.

    But this heatwave is nothing compared to what global warming has in store, United Nations scientists say - and the international agreement to counter it is now hanging by a thread. Its name is Putin.

    If Russia's leader and his government do not soon ratify the Kyoto Protocol - the global warming treaty - the whole agonisingly constructed international mechanism for trying to deal with climate change will fall apart. To the mounting concern of officials in many countries, they show few signs of doing so.

    The danger is passing unremarked by most people feeling the heat this summer, a summer whose unusual temperatures and extreme weather events across the world have already been highlighted, and explicitly linked to global warming, by the World Meteorological Organisation.

    India, Sri Lanka and the United States have registered record high temperatures, rainfall and tornadoes; continental Europe has seen forest fires like never before and great rivers such as the Po in Italy reduced to a trickle; and now it is Britain's turn.

    Yesterday a mass of air with the heat of a desert enveloped southern England, breaking records. And the highest temperature recorded nationally, Gravesend's 35.9C, may be exceeded when even warmer air arrives on Saturday, possibly breaking the UK temperature record of 37.1C (98.8F) set at Cheltenham in 1990.

    In central London, which felt to anyone walking its streets like a Turkish bath, the mercury in the thermometer on the roof of the London Weather Centre reached 35.4C at 2.59pm, beating the previous record for the capital of 35C (95F) set in August 1990.

    Across the country, train travellers faced a third successive day of delays because of the speed restrictions imposed amid fears that lines could buckle in the heat. Network Rail quoted 11 instances of rails buckling this week and said some rails had been as hot as 50C (122F).

    On the roads, drivers were warned by the AA to look out for melting carriageways. London's big wheel, the London Eye, was closed. Otters at a Birmingham aquarium were so hot that managers brought in a supply of snow from an indoor skiing centre.

    But if all this heat feels unprecedented, it will feel much hotter in the years to come, according to the scientists of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as an atmosphere thickened by increasing amounts of waste gases from industry, energy generation and transport retains more and more of the heat from the sun, like the panes of a greenhouse.

    Cutting back on emissions of those greenhouse gases, principally the carbon dioxide (CO2) left after burning coal, gas and oil, is the only realistic option the world has to rein in a runaway global temperature rise that threatens real disaster, with extensive droughts, agricultural failure, more severe storms, and a worldwide rise in sea level predicted as consequences.

    The Kyoto Protocol - hammered out in Japan in December 1997 between 180 countries, the whole international community - agreed to begin making those cuts by using renewable energy schemes, improving energy efficiency and developing technologies that do not emit CO2, such as the hydrogen fuel cell to replace the internal combustion engine.

    The developed nations took the lead at Kyoto, accepting targets for cutting greenhouse gas emissions to an average of 5 per cent below their 1990 levels, by 2010, as a first step.

    But after President George Bush, the oilman son of an oilman father, unilaterally withdrew the US from the treaty in 2001 - saying that the American economy would be damaged by the cuts, and that it was unfair that none were being made by the developing nations such as China and India - the protocol's particular arithmetic means that Russia, the second biggest CO2 emitter after the US, must now ratify it for it to enter into force.

    No matter that Britain - last year - and more than 100 other countries have already ratified. Without the Russians, the commitments are no longer binding. The treaty is dead. The world will have to think of something else to try to deal with what is probably the greatest threat it has faced.

    And concern is mounting, especially among European governments and environmentalists, that the Russian President, Vladimir Putin, and his government - the only major nation apart from the United States not to have ratified - may never do so.

    British officials are constantly analysing Russian pronouncements on Kyoto, and find they usually contain "warmish" words about the treaty - but always stop short of pledging ratification.

    It is known there are many people in Washington who hope and believe that Russia will not ratify, and some European governments are suspicious that the Bush administration may be actively pressing the Russians to do nothing.

    Tony Blair, on the other hand, has personally pressed Mr Putin to ratify on numerous occasions, as have the German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and other European Union leaders. British diplomats raise the issue whenever they meet their Russian opposite numbers. They have all got nowhere.

    What makes Russia's failure to ratify the treaty potentially calamitous is that it was almost impossible to construct a common position on global warming. Since the initial agreement to act, at the World Climate Conference in Geneva in 1990, reaching that common position has taken exhaustive negotiations by many thousands of officials and politicians from around the world, all of them with different domestic interests and agendas.

    Even after the Bush withdrawal, the treaty remained intact and its final technical details were painstakingly put together in a further series of conferences. But a Russian veto means the end of everything. A senior British official said: "It would be absolutely disastrous."

    Roger Higman, senior climate campaigner at Friends of the Earth, said: "If Russia doesn't ratify Kyoto, 13 years of negotiations will have been wasted and talks on further cuts in emissions will be stillborn.

    "But what's worse is that Russian failure to ratify would be a victory for George Bush and his corporate backers, and a catastrophic blow to European diplomacy. It would demonstrate once and for all that America can dictate the terms of any global agreement - vetoing those that don't suit its interests.

    "If Tony Blair's foreign policy is to have an ethical dimension, he must make Russian ratification of Kyoto an absolute priority. We need the same determination to get Kyoto ratified that Mr Blair showed when drumming up support for the war in Iraq."

    On 30 September, President Putin will make the opening speech at an international conference on the science of climate change held in Moscow. It would be the perfect stage to announce that Russia will ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

    Those feeling this week's heat, who can sense what global warming will be like, should hope and pray that he does.

    independent.co.uk
     
  2. Kyuzo

    Kyuzo Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2003
    Messages:
    585

    Kyuzo - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    putin's gonna remind everyone that global warming is a theory and climates naturally change
     
    Kyuzo - Rank: Banned - Messages:
    585
    - Joined:
    Mar 13, 2003
  3. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    BROWNer - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    i don't think many people need 'reminding' that
    climates change, the climate changing at drastic
    rates with massive ramifications however, is
    something else.
    no?
     
  4. imported_Tesseract - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    The US ignores two things that would definatelly make the world better.
    1. The Kyoto protocol
    2. The Hague International Court.

    i wonder why...
     
  5. imported_b0b

    imported_b0b Guest

    imported_b0b - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    It ain't Putin, it's all the oil barons that paid for G Dubya to get into office that are causing the problems.
     
  6. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    BROWNer - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    where in this thread is there any reference to
    putin 'causing the problems'?
     
  7. DripOfAWish

    DripOfAWish 12oz Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2003
    Messages:
    277

    DripOfAWish - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    1. A theory is something that has not been disproved. If a theory were wrong, it would be disproved and no longer a theory. Global warming has not been disproved. There is however, tons of evidence that support the event of global warming.

    2. Global climates change naturally over thouands of years. The last Glacial maximum (part in global climate cylcle where it's coldest, a.k.a ica age) was 18,000 years ago. Its getting warmer now, and its going to get even warmer. However:

    3. Its the rate at which global temperatures are increasing that alarms scientist, indicating global warming. The amount that global temperatures have increased since the industrial revolution (i.e. the onset of fossil fuel combustion), which has only been a few hundred years, is the amount that normally takes thousands of years.

    There has never been such a quick spike in global temperatures in the entire record of global temperature. The most probable explanation is humans releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

    the problem with the Kyoto protocol is that countries are trying to get credit by planting trees. Instead of reducing CO2 emissions, they try to compensate by planting trees that would theoretically remove more carbon dioxide. If anyone understands the global carbon cycle, you would see that this is bullshit since the carbon in fossil fuels should be kept in that reservoir as the residence time is millions of years, as opposed to the residence time of only one hundred years in a tree.
     
    DripOfAWish - Rank: 12oz Member - Messages:
    277
    - Joined:
    Apr 16, 2003
  8. the shitz

    the shitz New Jack

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2002
    Messages:
    64

    the shitz - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    what if we plant alot of trees?
     
    the shitz - Rank: New Jack - Messages:
    64
    - Joined:
    Apr 2, 2002
  9. ~KRYLON2~

    ~KRYLON2~ 12oz Loyalist

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2001
    Messages:
    10,443

    ~KRYLON2~ - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    dude its not like if the temp raises 1 degree where all gonna die
     
    ~KRYLON2~ - Rank: 12oz Loyalist - Messages:
    10,443
    - Joined:
    Oct 13, 2001
  10. Don't Panic

    Don't Panic 12oz Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2003
    Messages:
    647

    Don't Panic - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    ^^Don't know much, do you?
     
    Don't Panic - Rank: 12oz Member - Messages:
    647
    - Joined:
    Jun 2, 2003
  11. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    BROWNer - Replied Aug 7, 2003

    wow. good point.