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Is U.S. the No. 1 Rogue Nation?

Discussion in 'News' started by Weapon X, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. Weapon X

    Weapon X 12oz Loyalist

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  2. POIESIS

    POIESIS Member

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    hard to verify that report.
    and, yes.
     
  3. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 14,171 Likes Received: 272
    we can do whatever the hell we want

    we're wild nigga!
    we buck shots
    and fuck sluts
     
  4. RumPuncher

    RumPuncher Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 4, 2005 Messages: 4,500 Likes Received: 5
    I see you google news link.... and raise you a google news link

    the adbusters 'history of america' volume gives a good timeline.
    Can you believe that the US has been doing it all along?
    Dont belive me? Look at the United Fruit Company.


    read all about it
    a hundred years ago, fruit was todays oil.

    note how many times the US sent troops to south american companies
    to 'intervene' with the local governments and people. Really... it's everywhere.
     
  5. An incendiary device, white phosphorus is also used to light up combat areas. The use of incendiary weapons against civilians has been banned by the Geneva Convention since 1980.

    The United States did not sign the relevant protocol to the convention, a U.N. official in New York said.
     
  6. Dawood

    Dawood Elite Member

    Joined: May 8, 2002 Messages: 4,677 Likes Received: 146
    Just the good ole boys doing their jobs, spreading freedom.

    US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah

    By Peter Popham
    Published: 08 November 2005

    Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

    Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

    On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988." The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

    In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes. "They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."

    But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon. In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

    "Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

    Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells (see provided link below).

    A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

    The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

    Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.

    The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.

    © 2005 Independent News & Media (UK) Ltd.

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    ***See the photographs from Italian TV mentioned in the article here***:

    http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiest...?gallery=1&id=2

    (click on 'succissiva' to go to the next picture in the slideshow)

    [​IMG]

    looks to me like they were lighting up more than the combat areas.
     
  7. POIESIS

    POIESIS Member

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    some comments from another forum by a guy who's in the military, or so he claims:

    any militarly dudes(villain) have anything to add...does this hold water?
     
  8. POIESIS

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  9. POIESIS

    POIESIS Member

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    A Debate: Did the U.S. Military Attack Iraqi Civilians With White Phosphorous Bombs in Violation of the Geneva Conventions?
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    We speak with a former U.S. soldier who witnessed orders being given to drop white phosphorous bombs over Fallujah; a Pentagon spokesperson in Baghdad who admits such bombs were used but denied they were used as a chemical weapon; and the news director of RAI TV, the Italian TV network that produced “Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre.� [includes rush transcript]


    * Maurizio Torrealta, News Editor for the Italian television RAI and co-producer of the film "Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre."
    * Jeff Englehart, former army Specialist in Iraq. He maintains a weblog called Fight to Survive
    * Lieutenant Colonel Steve Boylan, spokesperson for the U.S. military in Iraq.
     
  10. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

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    When I was in the Marine Corps, we trained with willy pete rounds, and they were commonly used to "mark targets." The infantry fire control liason radios to the artillery support unit (usually several miles behind him) and calls in eight-digit artillery coordinates. This will allow the arty to drop a round within ten meters of the coordinates. The artillery radio-telephone operator (RTO) repeats the coordinates to double check. The infantry liason confirms, and requests "One round willy pete to mark target." The arty liason confirms, then says "One round willy pete, round out. Watch for smoke," when the round is fired. Boom. The WP hits near the target. The infantry liason radios back and adjusts fire, adding or subtracting distance, or right or left ("Long rifle, this is Hotel Three Six, adjust fire. Add one hundred, right fifty, over." The arty RTO confirms, then says "One round willy pete, round out. Watch for smoke." Boom. A cloud of white willy pete on target. The infantry liason then says "Long Rifle, target. Ten rounds Hotel Echo, FIRE FOR EFFECT." Boom boom boom boom boom ba-boomity boom bom. The target disappears under the hail of 155mm HE rounds. If the target is serviced, the infantry liason says "Long rifle, cease fire, I say again, cease fire." But if not, he says "Long rifle, RE-PEAT, I say again, RE-PEAT." "Roger, Hotel Three Six. Round out." Boom Boom Boom Boom Boomity ba-boom boom boom. Again, the target gets ten 155mm HE rounds. Twenty rounds of HE ought to definately do the trick. "Long Rifle, you got it. Cease fire."

    Those two WP rounds make a big cloud of white smoke, and it also splatters chunks of burning white phosphorous everywhere, in a big radius about fifty or one hundred meters in every direction. One does not use WP for illumination. The WP burns the everloving shit out of anything it touches, and it doesn't spare anything. Anything that will burn, burns--including houses, trees, crops, vehicles, livestock and people. If the shit gets on you, it is burning white phosphorous. It burns until it goes out. Water won't put it out, nothing else will either. Standard battlefield first aid for casualties hit by WP is to try to dig the burning WP out of the casualty with a bayonet before it burns all the way through him.

    Illumination is achieved with ILLUM rounds, which are not WP, but magnesium flares suspended by a parachute. There are 81mm mortar ILLUM rounds, 4.2 inch mortar ILLUM rounds, 105mm ILLUM rounds and 155mm ILLUM rounds. None of them contain WP.

    Getting burned by WP would really suck (in fact, getting burned by anything would really suck.) We watched them shoot WP in training at 29 Palms, CA.

    I have a hard time imagining anybody using WP grenades to create a smokescreen, but perhaps if you had a lot of WP grenades and no smoke grenades, a WP would work, if you really, really needed smoke. Most likely, if the Marines used a lot of WP at Fallujah, they were highly pissed at the guys defending and wanted to teach them a lesson for shooting at Marines. "Either surrender peaceably, RIGHT FUCKING NOW, or get your ass smoked, motherfucker."

    Civilians would be highly advised to get the hell out of any battle area where Marines are about to attack the enemies of the United States, because what is about to happen is that everybody and every thing beyond the forward edge of the battle area is about to die horribly. The Marine Corps has the combat power to erradicate every living thing in front of it, and nobody should be stupid enough to believe that they will not use it. It is what Marines do: kill the everloving shit out of everything they see on a battlefield, using fire and close combat. White phosphorous is JUST THE START.

    You guys have absolutely no idea the amount of force that a single Marine battalion can bring to bear. It is awesome in it's horror.

    Napalm may only be used against military targets. Terrorist insurgents are a military target. Ergo, they are fair game, for napalm, or willy pete, or what-the-fuck-ever.
     
  11. Damn, was i away from this forum a long time or kabar is really inspired lately?
     
  12. !@#$%

    !@#$% Moderator Crew

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    "You guys have absolutely no idea the amount of force that a single Marine battalion can bring to bear. It is awesome in it's horror."

    oh, really?
    no shit sherlock.
    why the FUCK do you think some of us were so against this war in the first place?

    fucking destruction of a sovereign nation, AND FOR WHAT?
    before we looked like a cool country with a shit military/govt apparatus
    now we all just look like shit
    we're the new empire, is what the fuck we are.
     
  13. POIESIS

    POIESIS Member

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    hmmm...the soldier in the report refers to WP as 'whiskey pete' NOT 'willy pete'.
    so far as i can tell, it is in fact called 'willy pete' NOT 'whiskey pete'..is that not
    a pretty big slip up or do they have different names for this shit?
     
  14. POIESIS

    POIESIS Member

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    hugo grotius is probably rolling in his grave..
     
  15. imported_dowmagik

    imported_dowmagik Senior Member

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    I got to hear some pretty wicked second hand Fallujah stories from a buddy who just got out of the marine corp, many of his friends were there. He said when they stormed the city, they were told to kill everything in their path no matter what, even if its a 6 year old walking down the street, to hit it with all you got. I am so fucking glad I never joined the service.
     
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