Getzup Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Right now we are trying to squeze the life out of Iran for nuclear dismantiling, the U.S position is that, "IRan poses a great threat to Israel, saying that the Hamas have written in thier constituion that israel must be wiped out off the planet." [i'm paraphrasing so dont beat me for that.] But my question is, why not go after North Korea, and Venezuela? WHat do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAN-THIS!!! Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 How's about we just stop flexing on everyone alltogether and mind our own buisiness. That way we don't have to constantly worry about other countries wanting to nuke us so bad. Sounds logical to me. Besides, Isreal kinda has it coming anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getzup Posted March 26, 2006 Author Share Posted March 26, 2006 Nukes keep the peace in my eyes, No one wants a global suicide mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Originally posted by Getzup@Mar 26 2006, 03:23 PM Right now we are trying to squeze the life out of Iran for nuclear dismantiling, the U.S position is that, "IRan poses a great threat to Israel, saying that the Hamas have written in thier constituion that israel must be wiped out off the planet." [i'm paraphrasing so dont beat me for that.] But my question is, why not go after North Korea, and Venezuela? WHat do you think? Quoted post north korea: fine. no problem with that. venezuela, however, i do have a problem with you saying that. why do you want it nuked? because chavez is giving back the land that the rich stole formt he poor? because he called bush out for being hilter-esque? because he won't bow to our concessions? why? give me one good reason why you're hating on a good country an a good president (of venezuela). as for iran: it's like this, our govt. wants key positions in the middle east to carry out strikes on the rest of the middle east. Operation Iraqi Liberation. O.I.L. derrrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Iran got on our shit list after they threw out American and British oil companies and nationalized their oil industry... personally I think it would be good for Iran to have nukes...it keeps us in check, amongst others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Originally posted by lord_casek+Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lord_casek - Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>because chavez is giving back the land that the rich stole formt he poor? Quoted post [/b] Actually, if he spent a fraction of the money he uses for propaganda that reaches people like you he could probably help out some of the millions of people living in shanty towns....he makes alot of oil money. o rly?!!?!? "Venezuela has one of the largest known oil deposits in the world as well as huge quantities of coal, iron ore, bauxite and gold. Yet most Venezuelans live in poverty" "Unemployment remains high and, according to official figures, around 60% of households are poor." More Chavez! He's so generous Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM because he called bush out for being hilter-esque? Quoted post That comment actually isn't too ironic, Chavez is definitely more of a Pol Pot, or maybe even a Stalin. He deals with political dissidents with style, yet discretely. Chavez persecutes political opponents Public's ability to monitor and criticize venezuelan govt. stifled Control of media Hugo Chavez's security forces detain and beat protestors (below link talks about an incident where 40 protestors died and 200 were injured). Uncle Hugo and his buddies uphold censorship laws I'm sure its all lies, we all know how conservative the Human Right's Watch organization can be. (sarcasm) More from the great president of Venezuela Yeah, amnesty international is also another bastion of neo-conservatism, and also a pawn of the Bush administration. <!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM a good country an a good president (of venezuela). Quoted post Seriously dude, you will obviously get offended and call me a bitch two dozen times or something along those lines, but there are other places to get your news other than prisonplantet.conspiracy//tinfoilhelmetkeepsbushfromreadingmythoughts.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 And about the thread topic, it's because Iran has launched terrorist attacks in the past and the government is based on a violent and extreme interpretation of an otherwise peaceful and loving religion (no seriously.) While North Korea may use nukes as a political device, Iran will use them to destroy parts of the western world to spread the love. Hopefully this doesn't happen, and your half-assed, naive perception of the US as the big bad bully, and global politics as a whole, remains unbelmished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Chavez is a slimy fucking prick. At some level I may respect what he says he wants to do, but I can't stand the guy and I don't think he's a trustworthy leader. Evo Morales, on the other hand, is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Chavez's cheap oil for US poor angers Washington http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/chavezs-c...2703314620.html Venezuela asks for extradition of CIA-linked Cuban http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index...news_id=5874845 Chavez's TV drama touches off Fox fight http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968332188492 sterotype: why don't you quote more than the bbc news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsuifuku Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I dont think the number one reason the US is going into the middle east is oil, i believe it has more to do with "weapons of mass destruction" The united states has the most powerful military in the world, no other country stands a chance in a ground war with the US. So what do these other countries do? Buy weapons that will kill lots of people if used. Its like a check on power. In Venezuela the working class has made substantial gains, but Chaves is trying to straddle the working class and a layer of the class that does the exploiting of the workers. Evo Morales is similar to Chavez in this regard, the working class in Bolivia havent made gains like those made in Venezuela, but hopefully they will be able to. There will come a point when Chavez and Morales present more of a problem for the working people of their respective countries. I liken them both to Allende in Chile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 27 2006, 03:51 PM Chavez's cheap oil for US poor angers Washington http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/chavezs-c...2703314620.html Venezuela asks for extradition of CIA-linked Cuban http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index...news_id=5874845 Chavez's TV drama touches off Fox fight http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968332188492 sterotype: why don't you quote more than the bbc news? Quoted post Oh, Chavez sent free oil to a few dozen New England families making sure it was widely reported...while millions of his own people (who he can see from his window) starve and live in squalor that someone who enjoys the high standards of living in this country couldn't imagine. Yeah, that wasn't a political stunt. And he wants us to send an anti-castro terrorist home to be executed...what imperialist pigs we are. And about his state run, media la extravaganza, talk show....I wasn't arguing the effectiveness of his propaganda. Did you not notice the articles from HRW and AI? BTW, how do you respond to Chavez's actions outlined there? Deny them, accept the deaths of a few people and the lack of human rights, or admit Chavez is actualy a douchebag and you were wrong? And I only quote the BBC because every other media outlet is controlled by gay CIA pornstar hookers.....no, really, that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAR Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Originally posted by Getzup@Mar 26 2006, 03:23 PM the U.S position is that, "IRan poses a great threat to Israel, saying that the Hamas have written in thier constituion that israel must be wiped out off the planet." WHat do you think? Quoted post Leave Israel out of this. We can take care of ourselves. If we want US help we'll say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I like Morales alot more than I like Chavez....I don't like the ties he has with the drug industry. Bolivia is what, the second largest cocaine producing country? His stance is basically "no no, we're growing these coca plants to make....blankets, and..paper! Yes, white, powdery, mind-altering, highly addictive, paper." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001+Mar 27 2006, 05:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Mar 27 2006, 05:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Mar 27 2006, 03:51 PM Chavez's cheap oil for US poor angers Washington http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/chavezs-c...2703314620.html Venezuela asks for extradition of CIA-linked Cuban http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index...news_id=5874845 Chavez's TV drama touches off Fox fight http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968332188492 sterotype: why don't you quote more than the bbc news? Quoted post Oh, Chavez sent free oil to a few dozen New England families making sure it was widely reported...while millions of his own people (who he can see from his window) starve and live in squalor that someone who enjoys the high standards of living in this country couldn't imagine. Yeah, that wasn't a political stunt. And he wants us to send an anti-castro terrorist home to be executed...what imperialist pigs we are. And about his state run, media la extravaganza, talk show....I wasn't arguing the effectiveness of his propaganda. Did you not notice the articles from HRW and AI? BTW, how do you respond to Chavez's actions outlined there? Deny them, accept the deaths of a few people and the lack of human rights, or admit Chavez is actualy a douchebag and you were wrong? And I only quote the BBC because every other media outlet is controlled by gay CIA pornstar hookers.....no, really, that's why. Quoted post [/b] wow, propaganda, genocide, bathing in money while the poor starve...sounds like you're reading out of american history 101. the cia is more involved in the media that you will ever know. and jeff gannon has been reported to be seen going in and out of the whitehouse with several male prostitutes on several instances. stop being such a lapdog for the republicrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAN-THIS!!! Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Stereotype are you getting paid to spout all this bogus propoganda? What's your deal homie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonesome Cowboy Bill Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by MAR+Mar 27 2006, 04:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MAR - Mar 27 2006, 04:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Getzup@Mar 26 2006, 03:23 PM the U.S position is that, "IRan poses a great threat to Israel, saying that the Hamas have written in thier constituion that israel must be wiped out off the planet." WHat do you think? Quoted post Leave Israel out of this. We can take care of ourselves. If we want US help we'll say so. Quoted post [/b] so does that mean we can stop giving aid to israel?..word... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001+Mar 27 2006, 06:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stereotype V.001 - Mar 27 2006, 06:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM because chavez is giving back the land that the rich stole formt he poor? Quoted post Actually, if he spent a fraction of the money he uses for propaganda that reaches people like you he could probably help out some of the millions of people living in shanty towns....he makes alot of oil money. o rly?!!?!? "Venezuela has one of the largest known oil deposits in the world as well as huge quantities of coal, iron ore, bauxite and gold. Yet most Venezuelans live in poverty" "Unemployment remains high and, according to official figures, around 60% of households are poor." More Chavez! He's so generous Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM because he called bush out for being hilter-esque? Quoted post That comment actually isn't too ironic, Chavez is definitely more of a Pol Pot, or maybe even a Stalin. He deals with political dissidents with style, yet discretely. Chavez persecutes political opponents Public's ability to monitor and criticize venezuelan govt. stifled Control of media Hugo Chavez's security forces detain and beat protestors (below link talks about an incident where 40 protestors died and 200 were injured). Uncle Hugo and his buddies uphold censorship laws I'm sure its all lies, we all know how conservative the Human Right's Watch organization can be. (sarcasm) More from the great president of Venezuela Yeah, amnesty international is also another bastion of neo-conservatism, and also a pawn of the Bush administration. <!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Mar 26 2006, 04:00 PM a good country an a good president (of venezuela). Quoted post Seriously dude, you will obviously get offended and call me a bitch two dozen times or something along those lines, but there are other places to get your news other than prisonplantet.conspiracy//tinfoilhelmetkeepsbushfromreadingmythoughts.com Quoted post [/b] stereotype V.001 = paid internet forum responder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by BAN-THIS!!!@Mar 28 2006, 01:53 AM Stereotype are you getting paid to spout all this bogus propoganda? What's your deal homie? Quoted post LOL, I wrote my comment ^^^ BEFORE i read this one...... mega dittos stereotype!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by MAR+Mar 27 2006, 09:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MAR - Mar 27 2006, 09:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Getzup@Mar 26 2006, 03:23 PM the U.S position is that, "IRan poses a great threat to Israel, saying that the Hamas have written in thier constituion that israel must be wiped out off the planet." WHat do you think? Quoted post Leave Israel out of this. We can take care of ourselves. If we want US help we'll say so. Quoted post [/b] LOL, yeah , OK.....lil' buddy, Isreal and the US have been bum chums since I don't know when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by lord_casek+Mar 27 2006, 05:40 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lord_casek - Mar 27 2006, 05:40 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>wow, propaganda, genocide, bathing in money while the poor starve...sounds like you're reading out of american history 101. Quoted post [/b] Propaganda, sure. But websites like "prison planet", you would agree are pretty anti-US govt and in your opinion truthful? Not to mention opposition figures in the US like Cindy Sheehan. In Venezuela anything critical of the government is extremely restricted if not banned all together. Dissidents are, at the very least, thrown in prison and tortured. Had you bothered to read some of the links from human rights watch or amnesty international, you would know that. I didn't mention genocide, but we have killed a shit load of Indians a hundred plus years ago to get the land we own today. Ask Chavez what happens in his camps for political dissidents or to people protesting him today, or better yet ask his good buddy Fidel what happened to several hundred thousand missing people who happened to disagree with him over the past 40 years. And yeah, our country has poor and homeless people. Go check out the percentages of people in the US living under the poverty line, compared to the percentages of the people in Venezuela who live in shit. Try it, its way trippy bro. Speaking of the poor, what country gives 40% of the world's global aide, more than any other nation? Take a wild guess. Originally posted by lord_casek@Mar 27 2006, 05:40 PM the cia is more involved in the media that you will ever know. and jeff gannon has been reported to be seen going in and out of the whitehouse with several male prostitutes on several instances. Quoted post Yeah, I am quite sick of the CIA's media-homo agenda. God damn fags! <!--QuoteBegin-lord_casek@Mar 27 2006, 05:40 PM stop being such a lapdog for the republicrats. Quoted post And what are you being, defending Chavez and continually pushing your conspiracy theories on here? A lap poodle maybe. And you still have not responded to any of the claims outlined in the above HRW and AI articles....just ignore them, deny it, or live with them? Pretending everything you believe about the US gov is true, what is the difference between them and Chavez's govt that you defend? Maybe the ends justify the means, that has really worked out swell in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereotype V.001 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I haven't heard the word "bogus" since Hasslehoff's band had a healthy following of 13 year old german girls. Do you have a teenage mutant ninja turtle sweatshirt? And why can't anyone respond to the points made? That's pretty bogus right there, and not righteous at all bros. Dawood, yes I am. How come you respond to my posts now, but when I asked you about your grossly conflicting views about your religion you just wrote "this is rediculous"? Come on buddy, Allah will guide you! Get your prayer dress on, its a celebration! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAN-THIS!!! Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by Dawood@Mar 27 2006, 11:19 PM stereotype V.001 = paid internet forum responder. Quoted post I wonder if he hates his life. Or maybe he actually beleives his own bullshit. :haha: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawood Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by Stereotype V.001@Mar 28 2006, 03:31 AM I haven't heard the word "bogus" since Hasslehoff's band had a healthy following of 13 year old german girls. Do you have a teenage mutant ninja turtle sweatshirt? And why can't anyone respond to the points made? That's pretty bogus right there, and not righteous at all bros. Dawood, yes I am. How come you respond to my posts now, but when I asked you about your grossly conflicting views about your religion you just wrote "this is rediculous"? Come on buddy, Allah will guide you! Get your prayer dress on, its a celebration! Quoted post something must have been outrageously rediculous, man. that's it. if you have any questions, go ahead , shoot. I'll answer any question as long as I like the question, If I don't like the question, I don't have to answer, It's easy for me. freedom of speech and freedom not to speak too, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Apparently in this forum, propaganda = any political statement you don't agree with. That said, Dissidents are, at the very least, thrown in prison and tortured. I'm not gonna say Venezuela is exactly dissident friendly, but this is a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_casek Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 mams: patriot act II states that political dissidents ehre can be imprisoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_El Mamerro Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 ^Which I'm sure will never be enforced with the severity it would in a place like Venezuela. Not saying it's OK, but it's ridiculous to compare the two. I'm pretty sure the definition of "dissident" varies wildly between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HYDRO BILL Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Isn`t America about 50 percent of the worlds economy...??? so helping out the poor more than other countries is not too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HYDRO BILL Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 America has tried to assasinate both Chavez and Castro... I would be locking people up too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getzup Posted March 28, 2006 Author Share Posted March 28, 2006 VENEZUELA IS BUILDING AN ARMY- RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES HE CONTROLS THE MEDIA, ECONOMY, and POLICE STATE. HE HAS TIES WITH IRAN AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT DON'T LIKE US. HE CONTROLS THE OIL , AND KNOWS THAT HE HAS US BY THE BALLS so to speak. WE WANT IRAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF THAT REGION SO WE CAN CONTROL THE OIL TRUE! BUT WE MUST REMEMBER TO BE PREPARED WHEN VENEZUELA THREATENS THE US IN THE NEAR FUTUTRE,THIS COULD A THIRD WW...what you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsuifuku Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 ^Venezuela has the right to build an army, and aquire any type of weapons/weapons technology they wish, they are a soverign nation. On Chavez controlling the media/locking up and torturing dissidents? Uh no. When i was in venezuela there were anti chavez protests in another area of caracas - venezuelan doctors protesting cuban doctors in the country. Media on lockdown? Then why can you get FOX FUCKING NEWS IN VENEZUELA? -SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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