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Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by grittylifer, Dec 19, 2002.

  1. grittylifer

    grittylifer Banned

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    Thu Dec 19,12:05 AM ET


    By Jill Serjeant

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.



    Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.


    The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."


    A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department (news - web sites) spokesman could not be reached for comment.


    The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.


    "I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.


    JAILS OVERFLOWING


    One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.


    "It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.


    The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.


    Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.


    Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.


    "We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.


    CALLS FOR HELP


    Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.


    INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.


    Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.


    "Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.

    The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.

    "My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

    Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.

    One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."
     
  2. sneak

    sneak Guest

    the problem of overcrowded jails could be easily stopped (imo) by not jailing every single drug arrest / graff vandal etc

    post 3500
     
  3. GI Jew

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  4. grittylifer

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    i wonder though, what is it like for other minoritys in minor violations. specifically in south calif cause there are large mexican, korean, russian populations. i wonder if they have ever had to face mass arrest as well.
     
  5. willy.wonka

    willy.wonka Guest

    same thing happened in hawaii and some other sates during ww2 with the japanese..but these were concentration camps..dont let america fool you..we're hitler with a happy face.
     
  6. --zeSto--

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    ...who do not have permanent resident status in the United States,
    to register with U.S. immigration authorities.


    ^ I totally agree with that part.
    If you are a landed immigrant you should be on file with the Immigration Feds.
    That applies to Arab, Mexican and Canadian immigrants. Hell, EVERY immigrant.
    Untill you have full US citizenship, you do not have the same freedoms as an American.
    (note: I am not an american, but that should apply to all countries)

    however...
    Using immigration technicalities to round up people on the USA's shit list is not cool.
    There's no reason to take someone's freedoms because they fall into a
    percieved stereotyps that 1/5 of the world has to deal with.
    It's only making more enemies.
     
  7. tito jackson

    tito jackson New Jack

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    Yeah..this is basically rediculous...we strive to be known as the land of the free and the fact of the matter is wether we are or are not, that is why alot of imigrants come here. Our country is based on imigration and when a minority group is treated different than any other person it is bothersom....The authorities were totally out of line and out of there minds for pulling something like this..lets make tensions even higher between nations....its bull shit..and a nother sde note that i find sad is that alot of the people arrested probably had there paperwork in but since the INS cant get shit straight, the imigrants are forced to live and be view as illegal...we should be offering a helping hand instead of asking them to place them behid their backs.
     
  8. Resurrection

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  9. Kr430n5_666

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  10. NOBODY

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    my step dad may bedeported because of this bullshit.if he goes back then he would have to go strait to the army and they treat you like shit there.this shit is ripping apart my family.now thier doing random checks for identification for people who look like the are of middle eastern decent.the fact of this whole bullshit matter is that if you are a middle eastern immigrant then you are a suspected terrorist.this shit is fucking up my family and i need to know how to help stop this shit.if anybody has any suggestions i would be grateful.by the way i dont live in cali.just think of starting a ne life and meeting someone you love and then its all suddenly stripped away from you.bush is fucking hitler in disguise.and i cant believe how many people hes fooling with "the new kind of war"
     
  11. NOBODY

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    wow your such a clever guy.im sure you think your words cut like a fucking dagger.why dont you do something productive and find a new hobby other then leaving nasty little messages under fake names on an internet message board.why not try knitting you fucking pansy?:)
     
  12. villain

    villain Veteran Member

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    crap

    this is a bunch of crap. globalisation/capitalism has reduced most of the world to it's current 3rd world conditions w/ this imperialism/colonization bullcrap. if people are fighting for mere survival i can't blame them. only recently has life become an elitist priveledge rather than a divine right. it is disgusting. kill.
     
  13. angry xbox

    angry xbox Guest

    i think he was being sarcastic nobody but this is some serious motherfucking bullshit. I fucking hate this country more than i did yesterday after reading this story. The saddest thing is that YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SHIT. Welcome the US patriots act of 2001, it allows for local state governments to use such militant and violating force if it pertains to national security. It also allocates a large some of money to these militant orginizations to fund such things. We are dealing with a great force here. I wobnt put up with it, if they incite this shit nation wide, please believe i will rise like a phoenix against this occupation. IM SICK OF THIS HYPOCRACY. what is said in the name of our freedom is a hoax and a joke. This is just another excuse for these assholes to flex thier facist muscles. Ive seen the local FEMA camp here in my town and its no joke. This shit is starting to freighten me, we are on the virge of a breakdown and no one is opening thier eyes to it.
     
  14. KaBar

    KaBar Senior Member

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    welcome To The Paranoid Right Wing

    The militia movement has been bitching and complaining about FEMA and the potential for fascism for more than ten years, and everybody disrespected them and made them out to be a bunch of paranoid losers.

    HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THEIR ALARMS ABOUT CONCENTRATION CAMPS NOW?

    The militia movement was tarred by every liberal brush in the country as racist, extremist, ignorant loose cannons who were making up fantasy stories about the Government.

    HOW ABOUT THAT? THINK THERE IS ANY POSSIBILITY THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT TRY TO DISARM US?

    The militia movement has been screaming bloody murder about the plethora of intelligence agencies, governmental regulatory bodies and bureaucratic agencies steadily erroding American liberty, trying to reverse the Bill of Rights, trying to slowly but surely destroy the will of the American people to resist.

    HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT NOW?

    I'll tell you what, if I did not already have what I need, I'd be getting some in a big ass hurry. I don't believe that the Government thinks that it is constrained by the Constitution any longer. I believe that the authoritarians think that they run the show, and that we are obligated to do their bidding.

    No shit, boys and girls. It's time to get on the stick. As a nation, we will be facing some very hard choices in the future. Best get ready. These round-ups of illegal immigrants are just the kick-off.

    We have just let the country go to shit for years and years and years, with open borders and people openly violating the law, with toleration of people shipping money, and technology and all manner of assistance out of the U.S. to foreign terrorist organizations.

    NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH PERMITS FOREIGNERS THIS SORT OF FREEDOM.

    You can't even buy a bus ticket in Germany without "proper identification." You can't rent a hotel room without a passport and valid visa. The hotel staff make you surrender your passport to them. In France, you have to identify yourself to every little bureaucrat. In countries outside of North America and western Europe, you get hit for bribes from every two-bit cop in the country.

    We have lived a life of freedom that very few other people enjoy. And I think they intend to use the "War on Terrorism" to justify the imposition of extra-Constitutional restriction and loss of rights.
     
  15. angry xbox

    angry xbox Guest

    Re: welcome To The Paranoid Right Wing

    yes sir, have you read the patriots act? have any of you read this hbullshit mess of legal jargan??


    http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Te...t_analysis.html

    http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Te...triot_bill.html


    This is no fucking joke alphas and gamas!!

    ahahahhahahhaahahha

    I got called a paranoid fuck for years. Oh another conspiracy theory?? Is it no wonder that the biggest media god in the world produced a movie about a man who was geting chased by the government who ends up not caring in the end? The movie conspiracy theory? hmmmmm Psychoterrorism is real as well. Alduos huxley and george orwell spojke of this over 50 and 60 years ago. People told me to get off my soapbox but the only ones listening were the intellegent or jaded ones. So when it comes time i hope that minds open as cuffs close.
     
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