Guest willy.wonka Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 i've just gotten into this talk.. most major empires live for a time period of 500 years. i hear on how the US troops are fighting the war and coming back and breeding, then going back to war.. sounds like all those gay roman/greek movies i've been watching. history repeats.. kinda like bush's crusade..fighting the un-holy so from what my younger brother tells me, there are five factors that all the great empires of our past fell. BUT that those empires fell by only 1 or 2 of those factors. economy war and some others we cant name at the moment and that america has 4 of those five factors on her hands. i just think thats interesting. the united states of america is at its peek right now. that or we are on our way to peaking and we have 4 of 5 of danger points if and IF the united states were to fall, what would happen? how would it start and who would we turn to if the shit hits the fan? i've always visioned getting a bunch of my friends to get start a tribe and grow marijuana.. building a fence around an area and keep people safe while the world riots. farmlands, homes, women and sex i say the world cause you know if the USA falls, we're taking the rest of you with us. hawaii will get some ninja samurai thing going on. since we're cool with japan, we'll own the oceans. soon the world will fear the ocean's wind. the philippines will have our back too i dont know.. ima hit this stankay dankay what are you gonna do? wanna allie with the ocean's wrath? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Poop Man Bob Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Moving to Crossfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeradoRivera Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 "i've always visioned getting a bunch of my friends to get start a tribe and grow marijuana.. building a fence around an area and keep people safe while the world riots. farmlands, homes, women and sex" We already have those, there called "hippy communes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Argh matey... If you seriously want to know, you should read "After the Empire" by Emmanuel Todd. This dude was one of the few in the world who predicted the fall of the soviet union, and he did it back in the 70s no less. I don't think the fall of the US is going to entail the fall of the world though... As we speak the major industrialized nations are looking for ways to lessen their connections to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 You're dead wrong on the peak...the US is decaying at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore Huxtable Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 ^Reality TV will cause the fall. I knew Mark Burnett was a British spy. Same with Simon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 We're fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 Wouldn't it be sick if the millitary leaders formed a coup and said "Fuck Bush" and withdrew out of the middle east and just brought everyone home. Not necesarilly a takeover of the government but just a "fuck you we aint fighting your bullshit war anymore". What would the government do? they couldn't do shit. I know, I know... it'll never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sect one Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 the united states WILL fall we are doomed economically, socially, and politically it's all a matter of time...like the other empires we have grown to be very arrogant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 SF1-- In a Constitutional republic, the military authority is subordinate to the elected civilian authority. The Joint Chiefs of Staff take their orders from the President. We teach this to our children when they are in grade school. A military coup is all but impossible, although I think a good case could be made that John F.Kennedy's assassination comes pretty close. When I was in the Marines, President Reagan got shot by a nut job named John Hinckley (Hinckley's father was actually on the Republican National Committee.) I don't know if you are familiar with the scene (sometimes they show it on TV) but Hinckley opened fire with a cheap .22 RG revolver, just as Reagan was getting into his armored limosine. (Good thing it wasn't a .38 or Reagan would have been dead for sure.) One of the ricochets bounced off a door and hit Reagan in the chest. Jim Brady, his press secretary, was hit in the head. (Remember The Brady Bill? Maybe not.) As soon as they announced it on the news, we ran into the squad bay and turned on a TV one kid had in his locker. It was clear that the people in Washington had no idea what the fuck they were doing, everybody was running around in confusion, rushing Reagan to the hospital (they just barely saved his ass) and issuing conflicting reports and stories. It scared the shit out of the Russians, they immediately called Washington D.C. and said "WE DIDN'T DO IT." Anyway, one of the crazy things that happened was that the Secretary of State at that time, (retired) General Alexander Haig, Jr., went on TV and announced "Everything's all right, I'M IN CHARGE." Well, clearly this is not true, and every school kid knows it. The order of succession goes, President, VICE-President, Speaker of the House, etc., etc. There was this moment of stunned silence, and then a young Marine private standing in the back piped up and said, "Bullshit, he's in charge. He's not even in the chain of command. Sergeant KaBar, you better go tell the Gunny." They actually got kind of upset, like "What the fuck? Are they trying to take over the government or what?" and "Well, I'm not taking any orders from anybody except the Commandant of the Marine Corps! FUCK Alexander Haig!" Anyway, I told them to knock it off, and then I actually did go to the Company office, and told the Gunny, and he looked at me like I was nuts and said "Go back to fucking work. Alexander Haig's opinion doesn't mean shit, I don't care if he is on TV." Later on Haig said he was sorry, that he was just trying to reassure the American people in a moment of crisis. It sure freaked out the Russians, though. And 17-year old Marines were ready to go whip some ass, if necessary, to make sure that the Vice-President was #2 in the order of succession. Democratic ideals are instilled in kindergarten in the U.S. We vote on everything. ("Who wants milk? Raise your hand. Okay, who wants juice?") A military coup is impossible. Well, pretty near impossible, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
votone Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 damn..u got knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted April 16, 2005 Share Posted April 16, 2005 The american empire seems to be coming to a close. the 21st century will be age of the Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Nah.... China is still developing. Europe first. I'm wondering if I should leave the country now while the money is still worth something so I can at least afford a plane ticket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 It's all aboot Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunm Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 What a bunch of nihilists y'all are. how about "We're number one!" for once? If anything, we should just drop all pretenses of being the good guys and steamroll over the rest of the world. We could so totally do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 :haha: :haha: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I'm not so sure that Canada would survive a fall of the US so well seeing as how it's in such close proximity. I've seen analysts say we could get a 15-20% drop in standard of living. Not only does globalization tend to produce regional trading blocks (much to the US dismay) but Canada would no doubt be swamped by an influx of refugees... Moreso than they are experiencing now. I read somewhere that there has been 6 times the amount of immigrants to Canada since the reelection of George Dubya. And no we can't just run amok on the world. We failed to neutralize the soviet union once and for all (this is arguably a good thing to counterbalance US hegemony) and our aggressive actions have already proven to strengthen alliances between other major powers (namely Europe, Russia, China, Japan). Given our dependence to their real economic power (real as in actual production of goods) all they would have to do is form an embargo on us and we are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthebuilder Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 In the past 200 year empires fell in a year or less. Don't forget that back then NUKES weren't invented... this country won't fall, if anything the world will fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I think if the Us were to fall in a Military way ie War, Canada would be the place to be and would most likely come out OK . However If the us fell for mostly Economic reasons then Canada and Mexico and a bunch of other places would most likely fall right along with them. Our Economys are so similar and interdependant that any major empire-ending crash would devastate them both . Im still glad i dont live in the US though............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunm Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Originally posted by villain@Apr 18 2005, 12:22 AM And no we can't just run amok on the world. We failed to neutralize the soviet union once and for all (this is arguably a good thing to counterbalance US hegemony) and our aggressive actions have already proven to strengthen alliances between other major powers (namely Europe, Russia, China, Japan). Given our dependence to their real economic power (real as in actual production of goods) all they would have to do is form an embargo on us and we are done. Quoted post All we'd have to do would be to seed their soil with some bioweapons and that'd be it. "We shall seed their cities with the forest itself!" ---awesome mega anime dork points to whoever can name the comic i am referencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYU Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 who says we cant just conquer the world. wouldnt it be for the best anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 this is the future..you need to join the military to be a "citizen"/ able to vote and shit like that. you see the governmental sign of the eagle everywhere. everybody in the world talks and acts like americans. yada yada yada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 that would be so cool..to have the world be consumed by american ideals, 'culture', and corporatism. then everyone could enjoy american idol and twizzlers in harmony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaBar2 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hey, I like Twizzlers, so shut the fuck up. American Idol sucks shit, though. We should export that crappy show to other countries that speak English, and ban it here. Punishment for speaking la lingua franca with a shitty accent and calling me up at all hours of the day and night from India and Pakistan to try to sell me insurance and shit. Global Village? Not fucking hardly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 The end of cheap oil is going to be the end of western (American) culture and it's influence around the globe. Once we get to the point where oil is harder to extract from the ground, the price of it will shoot skyward so fast it will cripple the markets almost overnight. Plus oil isn't just for the cars, it's essential to all plastics and about a jillion other products we use daily. The catalyst that will make America change is the end of oil, combined with the shrinking supply of fresh water and hydro. Already canada is damning up rivers to create hydro-electric dams and we're selling it to the USA with no thoughts of conservation. I personally think that the people who can live with less will be the ones who survive the changes. If you can get 'off the grid' you might just do fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 gas prices around here are ridiculous. what's gas at in ont.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 mid 80's per litre. I dont drive so I dont really watch too close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 Originally posted by KaBar2@Apr 18 2005, 03:28 PM Hey, I like Twizzlers, so shut the fuck up. American Idol sucks shit, though. We should export that crappy show to other countries that speak English, and ban it here. Quoted post we exported it to you first suckers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26SidedCube Posted April 19, 2005 Share Posted April 19, 2005 America will fall as soon as they cancel it. I hear Great Brittain II is going to be the hydrolic bee's knees, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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