casekonly Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Some of the men the FBI claims hijacked planes on Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon, and Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania are still alive. No they weren't pulled from the rubble, they were never on the planes. The FBI press release of September 27th, 2001 containing names, photographs, aliases and other information is seriously flawed. They have used these peoples names and made claims based on the fact they were pilots and other supposedly incriminating evidence and yet they were not involved. Places of birth, birthdays and other personal details were displayed on news throughout the world. The FBI still lists these men as suspected hijackers who were killed during the terrorist assault, this is absurd. If this is the quality of the evidence they can present it is no wonder the public cannot see the rest. 7 of the 19 believed hijackers named are still alive. Saeed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Abdul aziz Alomari, Salem Alhazmi "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened." - Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press after meeting with President George W. Bush on Sept. 20th Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive. Saeed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Abdul aziz Alomari and Salem Alhazmi "are not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." The Saudi Arabian embassy told The Orlando Sentinel. Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive. "..there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive. " - BBC 23rd September 2001 Waleed Alshehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot) A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Alshehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Alshehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline. On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco. "His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack. " - Daily Trust 24th September 2001 "He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph "Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001 Abdul aziz Alomari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot) 2 men with same name cobbled together into terrorist Omari Number 1 Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media. "a pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001 Omari Number 2 " a Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdulaziz Alomari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Alomari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 "The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdulaziz Alomari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. "Alomari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times "Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdulaziz Alomari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time. " - BBC "The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001 "Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 [translate] Saeed Alghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot) "Saeed Alghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network. "- BBC No BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air "I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 "Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001 "Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 [translate] "..not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy Salem Alhazmi (Flight 77) "Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 Ahmed Alnami (Flight 93) "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida. " - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 Flight 11 (North Tower) The BBC has reported that the transcript of a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat numbers occupied by the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the seats of the men the FBI claimed were responsible for the hijacking. Others accused of being involed Ameer Bukhari "Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year. " - CNN Correction Adnan Bukhari "Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida" - CNN Correction Amer Kamfar "..that a suspect sought by the FBI, Amer Kamfar, was in fact an alive pilot in Arabia. " - Wal Fadjri _____________________________________________________________________ Father insists alleged leader is still alive Kate Connolly in Berlin Monday September 2, 2002 The Guardian The father of Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the September 11 attacks, said in an interview published yesterday that his son was still alive. "He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. He also vehemently denied that his son - believed to have flown the first plane into the World Trade Centre - had taken part in the atrocities, blaming them instead on "American Christians". The interview painted a picture of a tortured man who has not come to terms with his 33-year-old son's death or with the huge crime laid at his door. He said he feared the US would try to poison him. Speaking from his Cairo home, Mr Atta described hearing about the attacks after returning from a holiday on the Red Sea on the evening of September 12. "My daughter called and said she was going to drop in. She stood at the door and said 'turn on the TV'," he said. Amid images of the jets crashing into the Twin Towers, he saw his son's passport photograph. "As I saw the picture of my son," he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that. "He didn't tell me where he was calling from. At that time neither of us knew anything about the attacks." Mr Atta said he did not condone the attacks, but could understand the hijackers' motivation. "Every day our Palestinian brothers are being murdered, their houses destroyed. If their relatives were to fly a plane into the Empire State Building I couldn't hold it against them," he added. Mr Atta called his son a "gentle and tender boy", who enjoyed reading history and geography books and was nicknamed "Bolbol", or nightingale, by his parents. _________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Æ° Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Do you have any links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 that first one came off of a mujahadin (spelling?) website... http://www.rense.com/general29/obls.htm http://www.welfarestate.com/911/ there are more links, just google it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 remember bush and cheney saying any investigation of 9/11 would hamper resources to fight the war? i don't believe the justice dept. has prosecuted a single case related to 9/11 yet. and what happened the the anthrax investigation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 Originally posted by POIESIS@Feb 7 2005, 01:37 PM remember bush and cheney saying any investigation of 9/11 would hamper resources to fight the war? i don't believe the justice dept. has prosecuted a single case related to 9/11 yet. and what happened the the anthrax investigation? Quoted post yeah, i recall that. as for the anthrax investigation: after that one guy they were fucking with was cleared, the whole damn story just kind of disappeared. we forgot b/c bush started a war. nice , huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 yeah, i've been hearing that the hi-jackers aren't dead for a while now... ...makes sense seeing that there is no security footage of them in any of the airports, or at least if there is it's never been released...which seems hard to believe they wouldn't release something that would back up the official story... I was also just reading about Marvin Bush who was ceo of a security company that handled security for the WTC's...a few floors on the towers were shut down the Thurs. before the attacks... they were the same floors that started collapsing first...also in the vicinity of the floors that got hit by the planes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 building seven was destroyed at 5:00p.m. sept 11th. don't believe me? check it out for yourself. the guy who owned it slipped during an interview. that fucker housed the fbi's local manhattan office. think they were covering something up? check up on bombs inside the wtc's, too....3 frames missing from some videos...hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Quickwood Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 fascinating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackstand Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 You are all a bunch of hippies with too much time on your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 this coming from the kid who made his own video of how to break into a U-lock with a bic pen. go kiss a hooker, son. it's been reported for years that several of the hijackers used stolen passports to enter the country, thus we have no idea who they really are. no one cares. welcome to america. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Originally posted by seeking@Feb 8 2005, 11:13 AM this coming from the kid who made his own video of how to break into a U-lock with a bic pen. go kiss a hooker, son. it's been reported for years that several of the hijackers used stolen passports to enter the country, thus we have no idea who they really are. no one cares. welcome to america. Quoted post stop ruining this for us!!!! i'm joking, but i do agree, no one seems to give a fuck. poeisis came correct when he asked what happened to the anthrax investigation...well, bush started a war and suddenly everyone gets amnesia. wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I was digging around on http://www.unansweredquestions.org for stories related to the anthrax investigation. One particular story sticks out in my mind about a man who lost his bar license while investigating the anthrax situation. He was also forced to move to florida from ohio. I looked into the background on this story and it appears legit from what I've seen. He drops alot of references to include his case #. Lot of strange shit going down. What the fuck, over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 villy, drop a link if you got it please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 When it's been a while since I looked into it but the mans testimony here: http://www.unansweredquestions.org/topic.php?tid=58 is about a quarter of the way down the page.... 18 people want to have that question answered. Please bump it up if you would be so kind peoples. Here is the text: "Is there a connection between the fact that Senators Daschle and Leahy were the top two leading advocates for accountibility hearings on the FBI in the Summer of 2001 and their Anthrax letters? Does Van Harp the former Special Agent in Charge of Cleveland FBI and reportedly the supervising agent in charge of the Anthrax probe have any explanation for why he protected a drug/pornography/gun running/money laundering ring in Northern Ohio led by prosecutors/law enforcement and attorneys dating back to 1995? Is it a coincidence that former attorney Jeffrey Keith of Cleveland Ohio was railroaded on false criminal charges by then Cuyahoga County Prosecutor now Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones in 1995 after Keith exposed a money laundering ring tied to Cleveland Arab-American Middle East Organization and the cabal named above? Is there a tie in with the fact that me a Cleveland Biotechnology Attorney started screaming for a justice department inquiry into the FBI, the US Attorneys offices in Northern Ohio and case fixing to Ohio courts in June 2001 and Van Harp's promotion to Washington DC in July 2001 and the killing of the probe shortly thereafter? Finally why did Assistant United States Attorney Craig Morford and United States District Judge Lesley Wells buried all of my evidence of US Attorney/FBI corruption including ties to national security during Congressman Traficant's trial? My materials are in case no 01-MC-115 and the file is in the dead file room and was my license to practice law stripped from me without a hearing in Febraury 2002 because I filed this information?. 18 people want to have this question answered. Add your vote for this question >>" We may have to start a new thread for this anthrax stuff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackfatsoe Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 this older dude i worked construction with over the summer was telling me about some "mazer" technology that was used to knock the towers down. at the time, i called bullshit on him, cuz he actually was a smoked out hippy, but if any of yall have come across info about this shit let me know, im kind of curious. i havent really seen anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 ^^^theres all types of talk about what brought down the towers...honestly I haven't looked into too much of the evidence...but lots of people think bombs were planted b/c of the way the towers fell, I've seen pretty scientific explanations as to why the planes alone couldn't have made the towers collapse. I haven't heard about "mazer" technology, in fact I don't know exactly what that is... The Marvin Bush company that handled WTC security and handled security for American Airlines, "Securacom" is partly owned by a Kuwati investment firm, which makes sense seeing that 911 ultimately lead to Iraq's demise ...It's funny that all these different people in the Bush family are somehow connected to 911...Jeb ("terrorists" lived and supposedly learned to fly in FL ; as well as Jeb rigging the 2000 FL elections) ...Marvin arranged for the collapse of the towers and maybe had something to do with the "hi-jackings" themselves... George W handled the military stand-down that was neccesary for the planes/missles to hit their targets without military intervention... George H. W. probably used his CIA ties to arrange the entire operation. It's a fucking crime family. When will america finally wake up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 a mazer is a chemical lazer. they've outfitted several large planes with them so that they can shoot down planes,, missiles, etc. i saw a test in action on techtv a couple of years back, just blew a hole straight threw a missile. unbelievable. September 12, 2001 New York City Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem. We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out. There were probably 500 people trapped in the stairwell. It was mass chaos. The power went out. It was dark. Everybody was screaming. We had oxygen masks and we were giving people oxygen. Some of us made it out and some of us didn't. I know of at least 30 firefighters who are still missing. This is my 20th year. I am seriously considering retiring. This might have done it. Carl Cunneff, 36, an oil broker who works at the World Financial Center, located across the street from the WTC. I was taking cover beneath the overhang of a building when I saw this big booklet fall from the sky and land on the sidewalk. I picked it up. It was a spreadsheet book with the name Cantor Fitzgerald. It's a financial company where some of my friends work on the 102nd floor. I thought, "That floor must be gone." Police guided us across the West Side Highway, then we heard a loud roar and looked up to see a second jet headed right for the south tower. We heard the engines speed up as it turned sideways and hit the corner of the building head on. It looked like it melted into a fireball. We thought there might be other planes. So we all started running toward the Hudson River to the ferry service to New Jersey. The ferry was packed with people crying and hugging one another, not knowing if their coworkers were dead or alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermdog Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I think the bomb theory is bogus...it was hot as hell in there. There are mechanical rooms in upper levels that supply water and heat from below. The generators and boilers could have blown in that situation causing smaller explosions. My 2 cents don't mean shit...just responding to your theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 What hermdog said. A 757 can hold nearly 11,000 gallons of fuel, and considering that these planes were going across the country, they would have been full. I think 11,000 gallons of jet fuel is likely to cause a few explosions. Not to mention the load of 20 something floors coming to the ground, causing air to probably rush out of windows, blowing desks, smoke, and dust, and whatever flames outwards. But who the fuck knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 1 word - MISINFORMATION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilistic Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 theres alot of things that will never be answered with that so called investigation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamAlmighty Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Doesn't surprise me. There are so many conspiricay theories flying around about 9/11 it's stupid. It's all a bit mysterious. One thing though; how did George order the military stand-down for the fighter planes that could of shot them down? He was in that class room at the time... Or was this for the second plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Originally posted by CamAlmighty@Mar 2 2005, 06:13 AM One thing though; how did George order the military stand-down for the fighter planes that could of shot them down? He was in that class room at the time... Or was this for the second plane? Quoted post I know that is whats so funny...he was in an elementary classroom listening to children read. I'm sure that seemed like the best place for him to be on the day of such a tragic crime. They might as well have had him helping old women across streets during the attack.... Bush didn't necessarily call the military on the sept. 11 morning and say "stand down." I'm sure if thats what happened the stand down was already understood before the planes were "hi-jacked." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 hobo knife, you are the queen of speculative leaps. this is a gem: "The Marvin Bush company that handled WTC security and handled security for American Airlines, "Securacom" is partly owned by a Kuwati investment firm, which makes sense seeing that 911 ultimately lead to Iraq's demise" good one. ..nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 First of all, let me say thanks for reading my shit. It's no secret, I throw stuff on here that isn't exactly backed up by Hannity & Colmes (sp?) ... But in regards to the italicized statement...I can't think of any other country in the gulf that would be happier and have more to gain from an American take over of Iraq than Kuwait (besides Israel)...seeing that some people believe that 911 was planned BEFORE the 2000 election was ever rigged and that the invasion of Iraq was part of that plan...I don't think the fact that our president's brother AND Kuwaiti investors provided electronic security for the towers/dulles airport/american airlines is just a coincidence. But even if it is, I dont think I would call that a speculative leap...maybe more of a speculative "connect the dots" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckle_game Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 I'm not sure about the whole bomb thoery, I mean what's to gain by hiding it? Also, like people have said before, I'm sure there's all sorts of shit laying around a hudge building that would blow up if heated. That being said I sure don't take as absolute fact anything that the media or gov. say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casekonly Posted March 2, 2005 Author Share Posted March 2, 2005 one thing i want to add. we originally went to war with iraq because they attacked kuwait for slant drilling into iraqs oil fields. wtf? iraq was justified for attacking them, right? but we defended those bastards in kuwait for what??? hmm... oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobo knife Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 yeah, and after the gulf war Kuwait was awarded some of the Iraqi territory in question. 1991 January 16: After months of warnings, a coalition of 28 countries attack Iraqi-occupied Kuwait, and has fast victories. — February 26: Kuwait is liberated. Kuwait's infrastructure is severely damaged, food and supplies scarce. Hundreds of oil-wells have been put to fire, and it takes many months before the last fire is put out. — March 14: The emir returns, martial law is imposed until June 26. — Kuwait and USA signs a 10 year security pact. 1992: Most oil-well fires have now been put out, and most Palestinians have been forced to leave the country in retaliation of their support of the occupying Iraqis. This was a time of serious violations on human rights from the side of the Kuwaiti government. Kuwait pays USA $16,5 billion for their help. — October 5: Elections for a new national assembly is staged, where only the narrow electorate participates (13% of the nationals- no women). Opposition groups working for democracy, wins 31 of 50 seats. 1993 January: Iraq is forced by US military attacks to recognize the new borders, which leaves Kuwait with a bit larger territory than before 1990. http://i-cias.com/e.o/kuwait_5.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POIESIS Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 hobo, i'm not disputing the connection, i'm disputing your insinuation that there's some nefarious connection to the attacks of 9/11 simply becuz these guys have a historic relationship that involves business and iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Originally posted by CamAlmighty@Mar 2 2005, 11:13 AM Doesn't surprise me. There are so many conspiricay theories flying around about 9/11 it's stupid. It's all a bit mysterious. One thing though; how did George order the military stand-down for the fighter planes that could of shot them down? He was in that class room at the time... Or was this for the second plane? Quoted post i thought the way bush sat in that class room for 11odd minutes after being told of what happened. my first response as a pres. would be to say bye bye to the kiddies and go see what the fucks happening. right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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