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Graffiti vs. Advertising

Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by turnstyle, Mar 25, 2002.

  1. turnstyle

    turnstyle Member

    Joined: May 6, 2000 Messages: 319 Likes Received: 0
    Two takes:

    What do you feel the correlations are between advertising and graffiti? Is graff advertising for yourself? sociopolitically, are you of the opinion that if advertisers can forcefeed you imagery, you have the same right? is graff for you a form of public response to corporate control? equal opportunity media infiltration?

    and

    following that...do any of you wreck ads -because- they're ads and you're like "fuck that"? or are billboards etc just more space to grab?
     
  2. Vandalicous

    Vandalicous Member

    Joined: Mar 21, 2001 Messages: 438 Likes Received: 0
    I have often thought about the irgh of corporations to force feed colorful ads down my throat and try and convince me I am in need of the latest technologically advanced whatever...I came to the realiztion its about MONEY. bottom line advertisers pay lots of money to advertise and writers get over for free. Graffiti is certainly like advertising especially if its executed well. What's up with a few of the big corporations using Graff to sell their products? Didn't reebok use writers in campaigns?
     
  3. sound

    sound New Jack

    Joined: Sep 8, 2001 Messages: 0 Likes Received: 0
    i know i crush ads just because they're ads....i believe i have as much right to express myself in public space as any corporate entity...
    i'm so fucking sick of this commercial culture of oppulence
     
  4. High Priest

    High Priest Elite Member

    Joined: Jan 1, 2002 Messages: 4,928 Likes Received: 3
    Ive actually just decided to go with kaws and use ad's and mass marketing ploys put out by companys to my advantage, just take them home, alter them and put them out again .
    Ive done this with quite few of the promotional movie posters at the metro stops, the stay up for monthes at a time, get alot of attention and no one questions me when im "getting up."
     
  5. nipples-galore

    nipples-galore Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 4, 2001 Messages: 2,567 Likes Received: 0
    damn straight i have that right. Im offernded by the countless billboards, and millions of other corporate "sponsored" things I see every day....it makes me sick. If im forced to look at their bull-shit, then they're gonna be forced to look at mine.
     
  6. Vandalicous

    Vandalicous Member

    Joined: Mar 21, 2001 Messages: 438 Likes Received: 0
    sorry to hear that! that nigga never put in work--if thats not the epitome of good marketing
     
  7. don'tbejack

    don'tbejack New Jack

    Joined: Mar 25, 2002 Messages: 30 Likes Received: 0
    graffiti--> people force you to see what they want and steal the space to do it.

    advertisement--> steal peoples lives (exploit them.) Then use the lives to buy the space then force people to see what they want.

    ads sell you stuff that will kill you.

    ads are what make materialism go round which is the reason so many people are unhappy.

    graffiti is good.
     
  8. sound

    sound New Jack

    Joined: Sep 8, 2001 Messages: 0 Likes Received: 0
    verrry good justifications.
     
  9. Graf Orlok

    Graf Orlok Junior Member

    Joined: Oct 8, 2001 Messages: 105 Likes Received: 0
    An excellent thread idea...

    A rebuttal and rebellion against advertising is one of my main drives for doing graffiti. While this isn;t the only reason to write (and I respect writers who think not for one second about the correlation between tagging and advertising), I find advertisment defacement very rewarding. Advertising is NOT freedom of speech, because only the rich can advertise. Did you know that a group of people created an anti-Mcdonald's ad, but no networks would allow them to buy ad time on their stations because McDonald's threatened to take away their ads (and the many dollars that they pay for them) if the anti-ad went on.
    Some people call using advertising design and ad defacement to alter the message "Subvertisment". Read Kalle Lasn's book Culture Jam and find out more about how American culture is just one big ad to make you feel cool while taking your money... or don't read it because you can't afford it with all your car payments (why did I buy this new SUV anyways?)
    Advertisment defacement that incorporates the design or concept of the ad into it is more along the lines of protest or political graffiti (which many graf bombers fight hard to not be associated with). Kaws is a great example of advertisement improvement. (Sorry for the name drop, but this is an appropriate situation, right?)
    Here is a fun way to improve billboards and public ads. Make a stencil that simply says "SUCKS". Then spray it up after the product name. The Gap sucks? It says so right on that billboard so it must be so. It is simple, relatively easy, funny, and uses the money the advertiser has spent on design and ad space against them in just a second.
     
  10. sound

    sound New Jack

    Joined: Sep 8, 2001 Messages: 0 Likes Received: 0
    do you read adbusters regularly? thats one of my favorite magazines...above any graff mag.
     
  11. Xeroshoes

    Xeroshoes Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 16, 2001 Messages: 1,413 Likes Received: 0
    Re: An excellent thread idea...

    Right on. I definately believe that if advertisers can forcefeed us imagery, we can do it to. It doesn't matter if people in general don't like graffiti, and dont mind advertising, because people in general don't know anything. The fact that graffiti is too individualistic (rather then conformity promoting, like ads) seems to be the real reason it's illegal.

    Although it has nothing to do with advertising, I've also pondered the angle "what the fuck are people doing thinking they have the right to build these fucking cities and "own" these plots of land?" to justify graffiti. Our society totally fucking changes the earth, steals land, and fucks with nature, then gets pissed off when someone comes and writes on their shit. This doesnt make graffiti "right" in the truest sense, (I guess it's kind of like going over someone) but it does make everyone against it hypocritical.
     
  12. nipples-galore

    nipples-galore Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 4, 2001 Messages: 2,567 Likes Received: 0
    Re: An excellent thread idea...

    Dude, i finished that book a month or so ago, and oh my god!.....it really shifts the way you think about things, huh? One of the best books I've ever read.
    I cant say this about too many things, but that book definetly changed the way I live my life.
     
  13. tEkRoCkS

    tEkRoCkS Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 2, 2001 Messages: 7,132 Likes Received: 0
    i like this thread! i also like the idea of the SUCKS stencil!!!!!!!did u know GAP was created by gay guys in san francisco and stands for Gay And Proud!!!!(so i hear)
     
  14. SEone

    SEone Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 477 Likes Received: 1
    Graff is an ad in essence...advertising UR shit. It's raw and uncut. Gets ur attention like any of those billboards on the high way or posters in the subway!!!
     
  15. sound

    sound New Jack

    Joined: Sep 8, 2001 Messages: 0 Likes Received: 0
    yea...culture jam is an excellent book from a more logical and honest perspective about advertisement and commercialism and their effects on people.
     
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