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Graffiti to be made legal in Melbourne Australia??

Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by Abracadabra, Mar 3, 2005.

  1. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    New lines drawn in graffiti war
    Herald-Sun, March 4 2005

    Young graffiti vandals would be paired with experienced mentors to teach them better techniques under a city council plan.

    Proposed rules would also see graffiti allowed to flourish in special "high-tolerance zones" dotted throughout the city, but banned from other designated areas.

    The ideas are among 19 contained in a draft graffiti strategy prepared on behalf of Melbourne City Council for public discussion.

    In other suggestions to tackle Melbourne's graffiti problem, the council would:

    DISPLAY "no tolerance signs in busy pedestrian areas of the CBD and other tourist strips, with all graffiti removed within 72 hours.

    PROVIDE incentives, possibly ratepayer-funded cash prizes, for vandals to improve the quality of their work.

    OFFER paint vouchers and removal kits to property owners or managers to clean off graffiti.

    SET up special hoardings for vandals to mark, which would cost less to replace than chemical cleaning or repainting.

    INTRODUCE cosed setting out rules for graffiti vandals and property owners.

    PHOTOGRAPH the work of repeat offenders and supply the images to police.

    The draft strategy says directing graffiti writers into high-tolerance zones will lift the quality of works and help wipe out ugly tagging or signature graffiti, such as that used by gangs.

    A mentor system linking experienced graffiti writers with younger taggers to improve their technique would also help, the strategy said.

    It suggests "providing incentives for writers to improve the quality of their work and celpebrating their success with them".

    The strategy notes owners in high-tolerance zones would retain the right to remove the graffiti. Those in low-tolerance zones would be contacted by council as soon as graffiti appeared, and asked to remove it.

    Deputy Lord Mayor Gary Singer said the strategy recognised graffiti writers contributed to the diversity and social fabric of the city.

    The strategy was a draft only and property owners, businesses, residents, police and graffiti writers would be invited to comment, he said.

    Authors drew on the experience of Victorian, interstate and international councils.

    Residents Against Graffiti Everywhere lobby group spokesman Steve Beardon said many of the ideas had been tried and failed.

    The draft strategy will be released for public consultation at Tuesday's meeting of the council's community and culture committee.

    A final version is expected to go before the council in August. Once adopted, the council will evaluate its success.

    Netlink http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au
  2. Weapon X

    Weapon X 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Sep 6, 2002 Messages: 14,905 Likes Received: 202

    I know you ain't gonna have nothing to do with this, man. Sounds like a set up and a half. When are they going to learn that graffiti is inherent in man?
  3. swif1

    swif1 Veteran Member

    Joined: Dec 13, 2001 Messages: 7,067 Likes Received: 29
    It would be good as an outing for people who aren't vandals to display their talent. It would also be good for those toys to practice before going into the "real world."
  4. ASER1NE

    ASER1NE Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 15, 2001 Messages: 7,578 Likes Received: 3
    I doubt it Lasts 6 months
  5. CACashRefund

    CACashRefund 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Oct 8, 2004 Messages: 14,171 Likes Received: 272
    Its going to last, im pretty sure it is. Maybe not forever but at least a year im betting.
  6. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    you're damn straight, i won't go anywhere near their little 'initiative' no matter what they're offering.

    what they don't realise is that the only people that participate in these types of things are legal bunnies that never did illegal graf in the first place, so they're not fixing shit.
  7. The Leader

    The Leader Senior Member

    Joined: Jan 23, 2005 Messages: 1,591 Likes Received: 1
    I was thinking.. all that would do is make a smaller area to be targeted. I know if I was there I would destroy the designated tourist areas. Hopefully you'll do the same Melbournians.
  8. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    i know i already do.

    they've been making half-assed attempts at similar schemes, whether zero tolerance or high tolerance, at regular intervals over the past 20+ years and nothing has changed. melbourne's still as trashed as it ever was
  9. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    an article from another melbourne newspaper, the age:

    The writing's on the wall for graffiti zone
    By Martin Boulton
    March 4, 2005

    Graffiti in Centre Place, between Flinders Lane and Collins Street. Could this become a no-go zone for graffiti?

    A growth in stencil art and "tags" on walls, signs and bridges across Melbourne has led to a review of how graffiti is managed - including ways of encouraging graffiti writers to ply their craft where it's more likely to be tolerated.

    Melbourne City Council spends $200,000 a year cleaning graffiti from property it owns or manages, including roads, footpaths, street furniture, artworks, bridges and buildings. It also has the power to remove offensive images or messages from private property.

    A new strategy on how to better manage graffiti was prepared for the council by Melbourne university associate professor Alison Young, from the criminology department. Her research here and interstate found that "graffiti writers as a group are able to contribute... to the social fabric of the city".

    That view has been supported by the vice-president of Free Speech Victoria, Brian Walters, who said that in times of political repression, graffiti has been an outlet for people.

    "There can be a place for graffiti... but if it's self-indulgent vandalism then I don't support it," he said. Chairman of the council's community and culture committee, Davis Wilson, said no-tolerance zones in retail precincts and major shopping strips was a key part of the strategy.

    "Graffiti would be removed quickly from these high-profile areas to ensure the city maintains its image as clean, safe and welcoming," Cr Wilson said.

    "Other areas with a more 'underground feel' could be designated as areas of higher tolerance, where building owners would decide whether or not to remove graffiti." He said another proposal was to allow graffiti writers to display detailed pieces of their work at sanctioned locations, away from high-profile pedestrian thoroughfares.

    The council is expected to release the draft strategy next week.

  10. Schnitzel

    Schnitzel Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Jan 16, 2004 Messages: 8,822 Likes Received: 386
    "PROVIDE incentives, possibly ratepayer-funded cash prizes, for vandals to improve the quality of their work"

    really don't see that happening at all.
    Cash prizes? Most old biddies would have a heart attack to think their rates paid for something like that. :shook:
    still if it worked it could be cool
  11. master bait

    master bait Member

    Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Messages: 605 Likes Received: 0
    wouldn't buy this...

    after the officials get tired of seeing graffiti just about everywhere except where it's supposed to be, they'll just arrest all those nice writers who were paid for the nice graffiti and were dumb enough to give out their personal info in order to receive that cash and publicity... even if they didnt bill you right away for the "legal" shit you were allowed to do, I still wouldn't feel like bombing the same tag if they knew my name and address.
  12. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    shit. you guys should just be lucky that you have a government who atleast understands the concept of graffiti and doesn't treat it like a terrorist activity. obviously they'll never be able to stop it, but aknowledging that graffitti adds to the asthetic of society is pretty fucking cool.

    the funny thing is that being understanding like that almost takes the wind out of the need to destroy shit...it's like when you're parents allow you to rebel, so you wind up just being normal, cause theres no incentive to piss them off.
  13. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Dec 28, 2001 Messages: 22,906 Likes Received: 113
    that's an interesting take on it seeks, never thought of it like that.

    the thing about it is, their little "high tolerance zones" are still technically going to be illegal, it's just that some of the property owners in these areas aren't as anal with the buff as some other areas.

    so basically they're going to buff certain areas at no charge to the property owners, but for other areas (and the owners of the lend therein) it's "stiff shit", which makes me think this little scheme will get knocked on the head cos if one kid gets a lollypop, you sure as hell better give the rest of em one.
  14. Full Spectrum

    Full Spectrum New Jack

    Joined: Feb 21, 2005 Messages: 15 Likes Received: 0
    Hmmm, makes me wonder far into the future how it's going to be. I mean, someday, there will only be the generations left which grew up with graffiti. Of course there will be those within that group of generations who are against it, but it's not going to be like having to battle the old-time fogeys who see absolutely no merit in graf at all - it's probably not going to be such an uphill battle. That being said, where would that take us? Because yeah, it'd be cool to have full reign over a city, yet most of the fun is in the sneakiness and illegitimacy of it all. I dunno, just the late night ramblings of a deliriously tired woman..
  15. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    we (or atleast most of us) live in a country that just voted a religious zealot into office, 'we're' not about to start viewing graff as a common everyday occurance. the vast majority of our generation still thinks it's fucking retarded (i agree), destructive (i agree), useless (i agree), and should be kept illegal (i agree). most even probably believe it should have harsher penalties than it does now.

    in the states, many cities have 'zero tolerance' laws regarding graff stating that business owners have to remove it within 72 hours of it appearing or they get a ticket. it's not 'fair', but then again, this is america...nothing is fair.