Bamzie PFK Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 this is for an english esasay, i need both arguments for and against. post plz... wrtiters guernzers and the know whow... oops... keep writin':crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest -MOE LESTER- Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 why do you kids always have to write about graffiti? write about fluffy bunnies or pedophiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZK one Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 i would never write about graffiti cause people just don't understand it and thats good. i think some people i could bomb their front door with them watching and they'd stand there wondering what the hell was going on and by the time they realize what happened i'd be gone. oh yeah about the topic. i think if it has tons of style and great colors and a good grasp for what they are doing than it is art, but some toy doin a JNCO tag on his school bus is vandalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPS Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 funny....... well this is odd because I am writing an article for the local paper on graff so I feel your pain. Personally I would say that graff at it's heart, and I mean HEART is about creativity. The line blurs into vandalism in only a few aspects. When graff is done on public or private property YES of coarse it's vandalism but in the fact that it takes creativity (even the most busted gang throwie or pen tag took someone to CREATE it) is at its heart .....art. Graff can be looked at as nothing more than man's basic instinct to scratch on a cave wall to tell a story, claim ownership, or to simply be creative. My thought. CAPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BizOne Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Vandalism = Illegal destruction of another person's property 95% of graffiti doesn't "destroy" anything. Paint fades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASER1NE Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 i wrote an essay like this for english 12 and got 94 % , but too bad i threw it in the garbage as soon as summer came around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ctrl+alt+del Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Originally posted by -MOE LESTER- why do you kids always have to write about graffiti? i almost always write about conspiracy theories. teachers thing im odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamzie PFK Posted May 22, 2002 Author Share Posted May 22, 2002 thanx, but im a writer... sorry bout this thread, but there's no fuckin writin about graf anywhere! no good stuff at least. every1s i hate graf this, and ban graf that... its fuckin annoying! :mad: the only thing "for" graf is the sites. and the only writin' goin on there is the fuckin pieces. thanx neway... i would like some more posts. now thats an idea!:idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Originally posted by -MOE LESTER- why do you kids always have to write about graffiti? and why the fuck do they always come on here and expect us to write the fucking things FOR them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest willy.wonka Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 its bad enough that you write to get a name up.."cry out to the world" but its straight gay when you want your class to know that you're a "tagger" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-town_bomber Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 that is straight gay hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizm Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 yeah i hate it when people see me sketching and ask me stupid questions. i wrote an essay on skratch music one time. it was pretty terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Originally posted by BizOne Vandalism = Illegal destruction of another person's property 95% of graffiti doesn't "destroy" anything. Paint fades. wrong. Graffiti = illegal defacement of public or private property. if you write with water soluable ink on a storefront, it's still graffiti. plus... some surfaces (stone, slate, some concrete) becomes weaker after getting painted and even more so after getting buffed. * dont paint on stone * and then there's scratches and etch.... think of it like this... Everyone likes a well painted 'mural' production. Only writters even understand scratches and most tags. Art is in the eye of the beholder... and I'd say only 10% of graff woud be called art by the majority of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Originally posted by -MOE LESTER- write about pedophiles there are only so many things u can say bout moe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest -MOE LESTER- Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Originally posted by sneak there are only so many things u can say bout moe im demented, thats all there is to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITS Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 a/v Why do people alway try to seperate vandalism and art wen it comes to graffiti? It's not one or the other it is both... Vandalism can't be art? I will never understand that. Oh well. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sound Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 yea... people in the U.S. don't understand graffiti worth shit...and i think thats a good thing...i read an article in the latest "TOKION" magazine...it mentioned that people in the U.S.(the public) don't understand graffiti...and thats what keeps the scene here fresh...thats what makes graffiti what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sound Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 write about someting else...leave the essays about graffiti up to sociologists, and outside social commentators and artists...its not our job to explain it...we just convey it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 87centHitMan Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Originally posted by willy.wonka its bad enough that you write to get a name up.."cry out to the world" but its straight gay when you want your class to know that you're a "tagger" This one kid I knew actually wanted the whole school to know he was a writer and made every attempt to make it known and broadcast it to everyone. That's just lame as fuck. He even had his first and last name with a.k.a. written right next to it. I knew three kids like that, but he was the leader of their 'crew' They just want to impress people and try to feel cool. That's just what you get when confused-ass kids going through an identity crisis decide that they're gonna be a "tagger". Kids like that need some hardcore knowledge dropped on their ass, and I'm not even talking about graff knowledge, either. They need to wake the fuck up and quit bullshitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZK one Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 yeah people are ignorant about graffiti for a reason. all writers gotta do their best to keep it as underground as possible. i hear people talkin about graff and their like tag this and tag that, the only word they know is "tag" they have no idea about graff so i would never correct them cause they gotta pass their ignorence on so graff in my area won't blow up. my area is pretty chill cause people that would bitch about it don't even seem to notice it. it's actually sorta funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sound Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 yea this one kid started goin off...asking me about "who did that one tag, over by ___ _____?" i finally figured out what the hell the dumbass was talking about....it wasn't a tag at all...it was a piece i did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaucou Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 be careful when sportn essays like that cuz there are rats all around us i have done an ess about graff and it brought heat cuz tags in ur scoos washrooms so be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uproker Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 My personal opinion on the matter, is that its both, art and vandalism, but as far as getting any futher into it i think ile leave that alone , once you dissect something its no longer art, its science. just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest --zeSto-- Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 if you have any visable tags on your backpack/hats/clothing/shoes etc. You are asking to get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Dazzle Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 I had to do a presentation on my favourite art form in college. Guess what I picked? Go on, guess.... Got an A+ by the way:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Posted May 26, 2002 Share Posted May 26, 2002 Everyone likes a well painted 'mural' production. Only writters even understand scratches and most tags. Art is in the eye of the beholder... and I'd say only 10% of graff woud be called art by the majority of people. WORD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jeff123456 Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by BizOne Vandalism = Illegal destruction of another person's property 95% of graffiti doesn't "destroy" anything. Paint fades. i think 95% of graffiti does destroy something... it fades after like 2 years... but the place where its on has to get it removed and shit... say for example u just opened a nice restaruant that the average family that goes there spends about $120.00 for there meal... then some kid did a big throwie on front of ur building.. would u just leave it there for a couple years so it would fade? or would u get it removed so it wouldnt make ur restaruant look like a dump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starv Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 QUIT WRITING ABOUT GRAFFITI The more you write about it the more it's understood. When it gets to understood it gets to main stream. And everyone knows when shit gets main stream it sucks. Just imagine back street boys with graffiti pics...that would suck!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiberoptical Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 andy warhol....bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dot.calm Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 re: articles there are art articles written about graffiti all the time...look through back issues of art forum...since it's school, you might as well keep the sources "legitimate" as opposed to High Times... i don't know how current you want to get or what you want to say, but there are a ton of articles written on this topic in different 'areas' of social science and art history...i'd start by reading essays by silliman about the use of language (text/image) as communication...from then go to foucault...get into derrida and deconstructionism if you want to assert authoritorial voice...once you've gone that route, then maybe see how they inter-relate to your civic legislation, and the language that they use to define the law....i don't know...i don't think asking graf artists what they think is of much value...it's like asking a hockey player for a quote after the game and he spits out what the coach said in the locker room. an essay on whether graf is good or bad, is like doing an essay on why war is good or bad, or gangs are required or not...it's opinion...if you're going to write something might as well make it interesting... or if you just want to rip stuff off that's old, read rene ricard about basquiat. or steal shit that greenberg wrote about Dubuffet and change 'art brute' to 'graf' it's just school anyhow...they just want to see that you can write a complete sentence... ***zesto...you've got mad skills...why is it that you think only 10% of people like graf? your stuff is good enough to convince people otherwise... i think people don't like graf, especially here (you know where) because it's just becoming little kid litter and tagwars...there's nothing profound about it...and if there's going to be nothing profound about it, people would rather have it clean and worry about friends reruns. i think you're in the best position of anyone in town to make an impact beyond all the little tag bangers...why not? - dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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