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Graffiti and Architecture

Discussion in 'Third Rail' started by KASTsystem, Nov 29, 2001.

  1. KASTsystem

    KASTsystem Member

    Joined: Jul 3, 2001 Messages: 832 Likes Received: 0
    I know that a lot of writers here consider their graffiti to be art. I also know that a lot of writers here show respect for certain artists, whether it's other writers, painters, sculptors, etc. That being the case, I was wondering how people here feel about architecture. After all, architecture is an art, and there are many creative architects that a lot of writers here would probably respect: Frank Gehry, Tadao Ando, Frank Lloyd Wright, and Rem Koolhaas just to name a few.

    My main question is, if you do in fact respect architecture as an artform, how do you feel about doing graffiti on it? If I was an architect, I know that I would be very upset if someone painted my building, even if the graffiti was amazing...
  2. KASTsystem

    KASTsystem Member

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    I think this thread has potential for a good discussion...so come on, what are your opinions?
  3. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 235
    i have a real weird thing about graff... i either want things to be totally crushed, or not at all... graff in small towns just looks stupid... some wack ass tag on the side of a dairy queen or something... blah.... but somepplace like NY, or montreal, thats totally crushed looks real dope to me.
    i totally respect architecture, and if not for the math involved, would love to persue it... the thing is, graff on buildings doesnt cover more than 7 feet or so, so theres still plenty of room for fresh design to flourish untouched, ya know...
  4. KASTsystem

    KASTsystem Member

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    i hear that, seeking. i figure the architecture on most buildings is pretty generic...using your example, a dairy queen is probably not going to have any real architectural integrity, so it doesn't matter. but what if it was some revolutionary new building style...? and if that does matter, do you just use your own personal discretion as to which buildings are ok to hit and which ones aren't?
  5. usedtolove

    usedtolove New Jack

    Joined: Sep 19, 2001 Messages: 48 Likes Received: 0
    if i found my self with the urge to bomb,and this wonderful building had a nice lil blank spot,and i could get a way with it.. i will place my name on it.
    it would be a collab if you will between two artist hahahahahaah

    i dont know i like graffiti on buildings, if its this amazing building,
    and i find graffiti to be amazing..then the two together in my mind make since.
  6. KASTsystem

    KASTsystem Member

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    [just playing devil's advocate]
    yeah, but how about in the architect's mind? i bet it doesn't make too much since to him...he doesn't see it as a collaboration. he had a vision of a building, designed and constructed it, and no where in his vision did he imagine his perfect building with YOUR NAME on it.
  7. FLiPWriTeR

    FLiPWriTeR Member

    Joined: Jun 15, 2001 Messages: 336 Likes Received: 0
    thats another part of my brain. architectural engineer rite here! yo this shit is one of the phattest things to be doing. designing your own house, or whateva but all this shit comes with some complex math courses so all you bums out there, this aint for you,,,drink sprite..:D haha
  8. usedtolove

    usedtolove New Jack

    Joined: Sep 19, 2001 Messages: 48 Likes Received: 0
    i was sorta just being funny about the whole collab thing:)

    i mean this deals with different people views..the bomber or writer cannot qeustion what he is doing..its sorta war mode.

    i mean i would be pissed if it was my building..or if some one wrote on my shit.
    but yet i still write on peoples stuff.

    hehe i dont know thers so much i could say and this whole discussion leads into alot of issues,of morality and private property and things like that..
    im done:)
  9. retard

    retard Member

    Joined: Nov 20, 2001 Messages: 807 Likes Received: 0

    I'am a computer Engineer not that it matters:rolleyes: but I think my graff has improved vastly since taking the architechtual drawing classes and math classes. I think that you should blow up anything you want whether its a port-a-potty or the eiffel tower......<-- no respect for them if they have no respect for me!
  10. KASTsystem

    KASTsystem Member

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    well, now that i think about it a little more...it might not matter so much if some one painted a building that i designed. here's my logic:

    if i'm an architect, the most important thing to me would be to make my building a reality. once it was constructed, i would have accomplished that. whatever happens to it afterwards is inconsequential, since i have already succeeded in bringing my building to life...(which is after all the most important thing for an architect)

    but that's only one way of looking at it, and i bet a lot of architects wouldn't look at it that way...
  11. SersOne-NRS

    SersOne-NRS New Jack

    Joined: Jan 10, 2001 Messages: 14 Likes Received: 0
    you cant do graffiti hoping not to piss of someone whether its an arcitect or a cop....cause no matter where you do it someones gonna get pissed off, you have to decide who you want to piss off and who dont deserve it i guess
  12. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Apr 14, 2000 Messages: 17,017 Likes Received: 178
    as with language, graff is contextual... I don't buy what Seeking's selling, it all has to do with placement and use of space... in a small town one of the writers best allies is the element of surprise, you wander around this clean little town and turn a corner into an alley and BAM full on burner, that shit is hotter than hot, but... I also agree that some busted ass marker tag on the DQ lounge is pretty weak... context... I have always maintained a secret desire to write my name on the tablet that the Statue of Liberty holds, but in the context of todays national mindset I think that it might get me the death penalty...
  13. bobobi11

    bobobi11 Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 15, 2000 Messages: 2,807 Likes Received: 1
    If you have never questioned what you are doing, how do you know what you are doing is right? What reason do you give yourself for doing graff?

    One of the things I find most interesting about graffiti is that all of these different writers have different reasons for doing graffiti, but only a few have really good, really thought out reasons that they can defend against an opposing view.

    If you would be pissed off if someone wrote on your shit, why do you do it to others? Do you believe graffiti is right? Or do you realize it is wrong and just do it anyway?

    I think this is a good topic and applies to many of the things discussed on this site. What is it that gives writers their sense that they can do whatever they want, be that vandalize, rack, sell drugs, rob people, whatever? I am not saying I think all laws are good and just, or even that I obey all laws, but I have thought through my actions and I can talk about my decisions in a logical and compelling manner.
  14. KASTsystem

    KASTsystem Member

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    i don't really want this to turn into another "how do you justify graffiti?" thread...i'm not asking for justification. i'm asking how you see your graffiti in relation to architecture.

    do you think it disrespects the architect's work?
    if not, why?

    do you consider the architecture when planning or freestyling a piece? my observation is that not a lot of writers do this...wouldn't it be more interesting to see site-specific graffiti that related to the architecture or its environment?
  15. Are2

    Are2 Guest

    i thought this was about how architecture inspires graf..

    i love the architecture here...the old stuff is incredible to look at
    some of the old bank buildings have the dopest gargoyles and designs adorning the windows and sides..but i still write on those buildings..

    there were a few pieces of art (sculpture and murals) that have gotten bombed up around here..i was a little surprised..i definitely would not take it that far..but i have no problems writing on a nice building..marble has been one of my favorite surfaces to hit, and i have hurt some very nice windows...
    all in all, i don't care what judgements people make about it..the lines i draw about how far i'm gonna go usually has more to do with how much i've had to drink than my admirations of other people's hard work.
    i can't really see myself writing on a Wright building, but i can't rule it out either..
    if the spot is comin off, i'm prolly gonna bomb it
    and if the building is high profile, it is gonna be that much more fun.

    ..no way am i fuckin with the basilica, though