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Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

 

And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

 

Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?

 

No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.

 

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.

 

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your fucking orange juice.

 

The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.

 

Let’s talk about those values for a fucking minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you fucking Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s fucking Massachusetts, the fucking center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the fucking nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are fucking blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to fucking guess? 10 of the top 10 are fucking red-ass we're-so-fucking-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its fucking part.

 

But two guys making out is going to fucking ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we fucking get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're fucking towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us fucking Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the fucking Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.

 

Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.

 

And no, you can't have your fucking convention in New York next time. Fuck off.

I agree with some, but I would just keep to myself. Some are nice, some are assholes, thats life!

Are you retarded or something?

 

Is that what you imagine all people from the south look like? Let me try to talk some sense into you.

 

1. Who says the south is the real america? Ever hear of Americas heartland? The midwest? If any place is the "real america" its the midwest.

2. If anyone is arrogant here, its you.

3.Where are you getting this all this shit about the founding fathers? First you say they keep going on and on about them, then you turn around and say that they have no idea who they are? What the fuck are you on crack or something?

4.

No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments.

How about you get the fuck out? Go hop on the next boat to some shit poor country where theyre too busy killing eachother to give a fuck about your ignorant ass.

5.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies?

uh... What the fuck... Horsies? When did that come into the picture?

6.

And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.

What the fuck are you talking about?

7.

The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked.

Youre the one writing incoherent shit like this and THEYRE the ones who need their ass kicked?

8.

buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.

Wait i tought you were talking about horsies...

9.

It’s fucking Massachusetts

You know how many people live in the state of massachusetts? 6,349,097 Thats shit compared to the states youre talking about .

10.

Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.

This gravy train is over and as such I suggest you put one of these through your dome

 

I seriously hope you follow through on my advcie and that this thread gets locked.

I think we should have let you go........

Hey Cacash

You got reason to be upset,

If I were a Southerner, I probably would be too.

Were you're mistake is, is assuming that I was the one who wrote that sweeping generalization; I wasn't-The website fuckthesouth.com was.

Those views do not necessarily rep my own, but I've got to admit, some of it was a little funny.

I'm a midwest kid, I know what modesty is. I'm not trying to be a prick about our currently polarized state (as a nation)

no harm meant

the south still has 8ball & MJG as well as the Geto Boys going for it

That website is stupid. To think that there aren't people in the

southern states that hate rednecks and their views is completely

assinine.

 

I'd like to take this as an opportunity to claim that FL is no

longer part of the south...

This website was posted here a while back. It was written right after the sham of an election and represents the anger felt towards those people who voted red, that seem to be the majority in the southern/midwestern states, right after the antichrist was elected to serve as US president.

i just moved back from georga its like in slo mo down there like nobody has a schedule WTF

Ive always wanted to visit there , i heard they have good food .

The BBQ aint nuthin to fuck with !

Finger lickin good yall

Originally posted by sillysiphilis@Apr 3 2005, 10:00 PM

Hey Cacash

You got reason to be upset,

If I were a Southerner, I probably would be too.

Were you're mistake is, is assuming that I was the one who wrote that sweeping generalization; I wasn't-The website fuckthesouth.com was.

Those views do not necessarily rep my own, but I've got to admit, some of it was a little funny.

I'm a midwest kid, I know what modesty is. I'm not trying to be a prick about our currently polarized state (as a nation)

no harm meant

Quoted post

 

Oh my fault, you should have said that before not just put the website there and expected me to know where it was from. And by the way im no southerner, nor am i a conservative republican, im not white, and im no where near any of the stereotypes that are described in the article. shit, im from California i just hate to read ignorant shit like that. So just forward my reply to the fuck who wrote that shit.

check. will do

how dull

 

i didn't know ignorance was exclusive to any geographical location

 

thumbs down and a fart noise to the author and anyone that thinks this is profound information

YOU DONT WANT DRAMA...NOO!!!!

 

YOU DONT WANT NONE!!!!

sorry, you guys are wrong, that shit was hillarious on nov 3rd and it's hillarious today. if you don't think it reflects you or your opinions, then why get upset about it? cause you're a 'southerner'? well if you're a southerner than i'll bet you know more people that fit into that 'sweeping generalization' than those who don't, thus dude's point is proven.

either way, get a sense of humor or die of syphalis. i dont care.

check. will do

Awesome

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Originally posted by seeking@Apr 5 2005, 04:06 PM

sorry, you guys are wrong, that shit was hillarious on nov 3rd and it's hillarious today. if you don't think it reflects you or your opinions, then why get upset about it? cause you're a 'southerner'? well if you're a southerner than i'll bet you know more people that fit into that 'sweeping generalization' than those who don't, thus dude's point is proven.

either way, get a sense of humor or die of syphalis. i dont care.

Quoted post

 

 

AGREED!

funny. even funnier that some of you are attacking it like it's a real deal.

Originally posted by ASER1NE@Apr 4 2005, 04:13 PM

Ive always wanted to visit there , i heard they have good food .

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oh we do, in fact, all other things aside, the food here out ways everything good about anything from anywhere else. put sum souf in ya mouf bitches...

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You cant ignore the fact that the souths economy (because of slavery) built the American economy. Without that we would be a broke ass country. Before the civil war, most of the money that the gov got was from the south! The tax rates were like 30%. Why do you think we fought the civil war? Those fuckers were the main income and they wanted to suceede.

I found this to be an interesting explaination:

 

First of all, to quote Steven Pinker (who is himself referencing anthropologists) from his book The Blank Slate:

 

Quote:

In Culture of Honor the social psychologist Richard Nisbett, and Dov Cohen show that violent cultures arise in socoeties that are beyond the reach of the law and in which precious assets are easily stolen. ( 81) Societies that herd animals meet both conditions. Herders tend to live in territories that are unsuitable for growing crops and thus far from the centers of government. And their major asset, livestock, is easier to steal then the major assets of farmers; land. In hearding societies a man can be stripped of his wealth (and his ability to acquire wealth) in an eyeblink. Men in that mileu cultivate a hair-trigger for violent retaliation, not just against rustlers, but against anyone who would test their resolve by signs of disrespect that could reveal them to be easy pickings for rustlers. Scottish highlanders, Appalachian mountain men, Western cowboys, Masai warriors, Sioux Indians, Druze, and Bedouin tribesmen, Balkan clansmen, and Indochinese Montagards are familiar examples.

 

A man's honor is a kind of "social reality" in John Searle's sense: it exists because everyone agrees it exists, but it is no less real for that, since it resides in a shared granting of power. When the lifestyle of a people changes, their culture of honor can stay with them for a long time, because it is difficult for anyone to be the first to renounce the culture. The very act of renouncing it can be a concession of weakness and low status even when the sheep and mountains are a distant memory.

 

The American South has long had higher rates of violence than the North, including a tradition of dueling among, "men of honor" such as Andrew Jackson. Nisbett and Cohen note that much of the south was settled by Scotish and Irish herdsman, whereas the North was settled by English farmers. Also, for much of history the mountanous frontier of the South was beyond the reach of law. The resulting Southern culture of honor is, remarkably, alive at the turn of the twenty-first century in laws and social attitudes. Southern states place fewer restrictions on gun onwership, allow people to shoot an assailant or burglar without having to retreat first, are tolerant of spanking parents and corporal punishment by schools, are more hawkish on issues of national defense, and execute more of their criminals. ( 82)

 

 

81- Nisbett and Cohen 1996

 

82- Ibid.

 

This is corroborated by multiple lines of evidence, one being that Southerners have on average been proven physically more agressive, or prone to counter-agression by neurological studies, to again quote Pinker:

 

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These attitudes do not float in a cloud called "culture" but are visible in the psychology of individual Southerners. Nisbett and Cohen advertised a fake psychology experiment at the liberal University of Michigan. To get to the lab, respondents had to squeeze by a stooge who was filing papers in a hallway. As a respondent brushed past him, the stooge slammed the door shut and muttered, "Asshole." Students from Northern states laughed him off, but students from Southern states were visibly upset. The Southerners had elevated levels of testosterone and cortisol (a stress hormone) and reported lower of self-esteem. They compensated by giving a firmer handshake and acting more dominate towards an experimenter, and on the way out of the lab they refused to back down when another stooge approached in a narrow hallway and one of the two had to step aside. It's not that Southerners walk around chronically fuming: a control group that had been inserted were as cool and collected as the Northerners. And Southerners do not approve of violence in the abstract, only of violence provoked by insult or trespass

 

 

 

Here I should note that the South is almost universally composed of Red States.

 

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

 

And that Southerners are also more likely to affiliate themselves with conservative causes then liberal.

 

http://people-press.org/commentary/display...3?AnalysisID=85

 

Southerners are especially more likely to see violence as a good solution to national problems, though they tend to be amiable when it comes to the occupation of Iraq.

 

Real concrete cultural differences have been found between Southern States, and the rest of the Union, especially Pacific and North-Eastern States:

 

http://www.economist.com/surveys/PrinterFr...tory_ID=2172019

 

Geographic location according to the above data, is a better indicator of political loyalties then economic class.

 

The Honor Culture hypothesis is further corroborated by the increased levels of violence shown among African-American (Again from Steven Pinker):

 

Quote:

 

African American inner-city neighborhoods are among the more conspicuous violent environments in Western democracies, and they too have an entrenched culture of honor. In his insightful essay "The Code of the Streets," the sociologist Elijah Anderson describes the young men's obsession with respect, their cultivation of a reputation for toughness, their willingness to engage in violent retaliation for any slight, and their universal acknolwedgement of the rules of this code. (83) Were it not for giveaways in their dialect, such as "If someone disses you, you got to straighten them out," Anderson's code would be indestinguishable from accounts of of the culture of honor among white Southerners.

 

 

Inner-city African Americans were never goatherds, so why did they develope a culture of honor? One possibility is that they brought it with them from the South where they migrated to large cities after the two world wars--- a nice irony for Southern racists who would blame inner-city violence on something distinctively African American. Another factor is that young-men's wealth is easily stealable, since it is often in the form of cash or drugs. A third is that ghettos are a kind of frontier in which police protection is unreliable- the gangsta group Public Enemy has a song called "911 is a Joke". A fourth is that poor people, especially young men, cannot take pride in a prestigious job, a nice house, or professional accomplishments and this may be doubly true for African Americans after centuries of slavery and discrimination. Their reputation on the streets is their only claim to status. Finally Anderson points out the code of the streets is self-perpetuating. A majority of African-American families in the inner city subscribe to peaceable middle-class values they refer to as "decent". (84). But that is not enough to end the culture of honor:

 

Everybody knows that if the rules are violated, there are penalties. Knowledge of the code is thus largely defensive; it is literally necessary for operating in public. Therefore, even though families with a decency orientation are usually opposed to values of the code, they often reluctantly encourage their children's familiarity with it to enable them to negotiate the inner-city environment. (85)

 

Studies of the dynamics of ghetto violence are consistent with Anderson's analysis. The jump in American urban crime rates between 1985 and 1993 can be tied in part to the appearance of crack cocain and the underground economy it spawned. As economist Jeff Grogger points out, "Violence is a way to enforce property rights in the absence of legal recourse." ( 86) The emergence of violence within the new drug economy set off the expected Hobbesian trap. As the crimonologist Jeffrey Fagan noted, gun use spread contagiously as "young people who otherwise wouldn't carry guns felt that they had to in order to avoid being victimized by their armed peers."(87) And as we saw in the chapter on politics, conspicuous economic inequality is a good predictor of violence (better then poverty itself), presumably because men deprived of legitimate means of acquiring status compete for status on the streets instead.(8icon_cool.gif It is not surprising, then, that when African American teenagers are taken out of underclass neighborhoods they are no more violent or delinquet than white teenagers. (89)

 

 

The last part I put in bold just in case some bigot wanted to try to promote some sort of genetic cause as the reason for increased violence among African Americans (I know for example there is an actual "Nazi Guild" on thos forum- how it is even allowed is beyond me.)

 

83- E. Anderson, "The Code of the Streets", Atlantic Monthly, May 1994, p. 81-94.

84- See also Paterson, 1997.

85- Ibid Anderson.

86- Quoted in L. Helmuth, "Has America's tide of violence receded for good?" Science, 289, 2000, pp. 582-585

87- Ibid.

88- Wilkinson, 2000; Wilson and Daly, 1997

89- Haris 1998a.

 

And the fact is the Honor Culture hypothesis is further corroborated by breakdowns of studying rural vs. urban areas. To quote the Economist article I brought up:

 

Quote:

America, it is said, can live together because Americans live apart. The two cultures occupy different worlds. Traditionalists are concentrated in a great L-shape on the map, the spine of the Rockies forming its vertical arm, its horizontal one cutting a swathe through the South. With a couple of exceptions, all these “red states” voted for Mr Bush in 2000.

 

The rest of the country is more secular. This includes the Pacific coast and the square outlined by the big L, consisting of the north-eastern and upper mid-western states. With a few exceptions, these “blue states” voted for Mr Gore in 2000.

 

Their differences are deeply entrenched. Traditionalists are heavily concentrated in smaller towns and rural areas. Secularists dominate big cities. Southerners tend to be a bit more religious, a bit more socially conservative and more supportive of a strong military stance than the rest of the country. Intriguingly, black southerners are more conservative than blacks elsewhere, though less conservative than their white neighbours.

 

 

This is likewise further verified by a look at red/vs. within state breakdowns, showing that urban areas tend to be blue, areas immediately surrounding urban purple, and as we get into more and more rural areas the effect is we see more and more red:

 

http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

 

 

 

 

Last, more confirmation can be found at the international scale.

 

The fact is less developed nations have been found to have higher rates of violence, especially collective violence then more developed nations, see Charles Tilly's The Politics of Collective Violence. This can be seen as confirmation for the notion that lack of social institutions lead to more violent attitudes via honor culture mechanisms.

 

Tribal society's especially have higher rates of violence, with death from murder and warfare as high as 30%, with the lowest recorded rates of death from violence/warfare within tribal societies being 10%. This is vastly greater then the rates of death from violence in medieval society's which is around 3-5%, and it gets even lower in industrial society's (1-.5%, even counting world wars 1 and 2). (See Skeptic volume 9, "Whence the Noble Savage", by Patrick Frank).

 

Research shows less industrialized societies tend to also be less liberal and secular:

http://www.swt.org/share/modernity-sciam-1203high64.pdf

 

 

And the fact is the US is considered more violent then other industrialized nations. This given our more colonial history would also further serve to establish the honor culture hypothesis.

 

 

 

 

Possible objections and weaknesses in the honor culture hypothesis:

 

 

1) It may well be that coming from a colonial/lawless envrionment makes one more prone to religious and militaristic tendencies, but there are no proven free market tendencies

 

 

 

Well one way to answer the above would be to note that political attitudes, even seemingly unrelated ones tend to come in clumps. To again quote Pinker:

 

Quote:

The Right-Left axis aligns an astonishing collection of beliefs that at first glance seem to have nothing in common. If you learn that someone is in favor of a strong military, for example, it is a good bet that the person is also in favor of judicial restraint rather then judicial activism. If someone believes in the importance of religion, chances are she will be tough on crime and favor lower taxes. Proponents of laissez-faire policies tend to favor patriotism and the family, and they are more likely to be old then young, pragmatic than idealistic, censorous rather then permissive, meritocratic than egalitarian, gradualist then revolutionary, and in a business rather than a university or government agency. The opposing positions cluster just as reliably: if someone is sympathetic to rehabilitating offenders, or to affirmative action, or to generous welfare programs, or to a tolerance of homosexuality, chances are that he or she will be a pacifist, an environmentalist, an activist, an egalitarian, a secularist, and a professor or student.

 

 

Hence its a fairly reasonable assumption that being more religious, or militaristic, likely makes one more prone to free market ideologies.

 

Likely this is not merely from pro-corporate sentiments, but arises from more pro-private property, and anti-federal government positions (notice that much of the corporatist rhetoric revolves around the issue of property, big government and taxes). However this excuse can be seen as ad hoc without further corroboration.

 

 

2) Your own polls and statistics show an anomaly in your own hypothesis. The fact is you say African-Americans are more stricken by honor culture, however they are also more likely to vote Democrat then any other group, 80% of African-Americans voted John Kerry, and 90% for Al Gore

 

To be honest I really have no good excuse for this anomaly. One possible reason however may be that the African-American community is more urbanized-- meaning that though they are more violent due to lawlessness, they not being rural lack certain elements of the colonial mentality embodied by the South. I believe that African-Americans in rural areas are in fact more conservative then their urban counter-parts, however I would like to do more research on this befoe saying anything definite.

 

I'd argue about this fuckthesouth.com business, but it's a waste of time. You don't like the South? Good. Don't come down here then and you won't have a problem.

 

BTW, I liked the Honor Culture article. True dat, I think.

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