Fucking bull pulled a gun on me!!!!

Bull: What were you doing up there on the tracks? (as he exits his car gun drawn)

Agent: Oh I was just watching that train go by.

Bull: Watching the train?!?!? (dumbfoundedly lowers gun)

A: Yeah, was I not supposed to be up there? Sorry about that.

B: Well why were you up there.

A: I was watching the train go by.

B: Why?

A: Um, cause trains are cool. I like to look at things I like.

B: Yeah well uh, why were you up there in the first place.

A: I WAS WATCHING THE TRAIN GO BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why are you surprised? you were trespassing! rr property isnt city or state sanctioned, so its an anything goes sort of place. why do you think that punishment/consequences are so varying?

hes the one thats supposed to be there not you.

Originally posted by railroadjerk

why are you surprised? you were trespassing! rr property isnt city or state sanctioned, so its an anything goes sort of place. why do you think that punishment/consequences are so varying?

 

hes the one thats supposed to be there not you.

you are right and wrong...most people that are hired by private companies for security think they are cops. i wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt even supposed to have a gun. kinda silly if you ask me.

agreed. but if you know that one place you get slapped with a $300 buck fine, and in another you get to spend time shooting the proverbial shit with the guy, you see just how random it is and the kind of people you are dealing with.

but being amazed by something like that? it would be like wondering why you caught a beatdown at a ja rule show for wearing a klan mask.

"I'M REALLL" haha

just a suggestion, but a little more convincing answer might have helped you out some. short, seemingly cocky answers seldom make things better when your in the wrong to begin with. if you had been apologetic, he probably would have been a bit cooler.

be greatful it was a beavis and butthead type. uhhh. what are you doing up there..a huu huu...uhhh yeah what are you doing up there..yeah cool.. well uhhh, why....yeah why, why?!

if he was a RR cop, then he's allowed to carry a gun, because unlike rent-a-cops and other security juice monkeys, he's a police officer and he gets to arrest you and shoot you if you attack him....but i'm a little surprised he came out with his gun drawn right off the bat....blame that on the steroids or september 11th...whatever you prefer.

Yeah, either 9/11 or basic Joe Hero, power-trip syndrome.

You could perhaps have elaborated on why you were watching the train, since that response alone wasn't making the dude relax. The second time he asked, I would have added, "I'm a railfan, I just like to watch the trains." If that calms him down a bit continue to play the role and ask if there is a spot nearby where you could watch the trains and not be bothering anybody, and apologize for being in an out of bounds area. That should defuse things nicely. He'll shift to merely irritated or contemptuous. I'd rather have someone with a gun on me irritated or contemptuous than angry or underinformed as to my motives.

I read the conversation again and I guess that's pretty much what you did. Just one of those days I guess. Nothing to be really surprised about though.

And keep your hands where he can SEE them. Don't ever jump bad with a railroad bull. Half the time they are scared shitless, especially at night. They are out there supposedly protecting the railroad's property with nothing but a 9mm and a walkie-talkie, and acutely aware of the fact that there probably is no back-up for at least fifteen minutes. Put yourself in his shoes, and you'd probably have your hand on your pistol too. I NEVER give cops any shit, all it does is increase the chances of getting a ticket or getting arrested and charged with some kind of charge. You treat them with respect, most of the time, they will treat you with respect. Remember, most violent criminals are young. Old geezers like me very rarely commit a violent crime. If you are a teenager, you "fit the profile." So be careful.

Im not saying Im suprised I got fucked with, I actually saw him coming and tried the old 'casually walk away' routine. I just thought it was a little odd that he felt the need to pull a gun on a tresspasser in broad daylight.

but being amazed by something like that? it would be like wondering why you caught a beatdown at a ja rule show for wearing a klan mask.

Thats a horrible example. The klan has a history of killing and harrasing the stereotypical jarule fan, black people. They would be perfectly justified in killing me if I showed up in klan outfit.

Do bulls have a history of being repressed and murdered by railfans?

I think thants really REALLY fucked up you would even dare to make the comparision. Not only are you making bullshit excuses for "security juice monkeys" (HA) but you insult the terror imposed upon blacks in this country by the klan and thier collaboraters (cops,bulls...)

And as far as what you said about him supposed to be there and me not,

fuck all that. Just cause some land grabbing rail tycoon stole the land doesnt mean Im gonna respect it!!!!

cool out. consider it an un-p.c. joke.

sorry if i offended you.

Agent Uprise---Sorry, guy, I can't go with you on this one. I have absolutely NO SYMPATHY for the Klan, but we supposedly live in a free country and nobody, regardless of how fucked up their opinions, deserves to be killed because they offend somebody else. I think the proof of the basic common decency of most black Americans is that if the ignorant ass Klansman was to wear his robe and mask down their street, they WOULDN'T kill him. They might call him a bunch of names, or try to express their disgust at his bad manners, but if they even so much as touched him, they cross the line from outraged protest to assault. I don't buy your argument about the Klan oppressing black people. Have you ever actually SEEN a Klan rally? I have, at a Women's Day rally and convention in Houston, in 1976. They marched in full robes, men, women and children, with flags and banners, right up Louisiana street into a sea of radical feminists, Left wing radicals and socialists, including a few (very few) black women. They were outnumbered about a hundred to one, and their pathetic attempts to assert "white supremacy" almost made one feel sorry for them.

In the last fifty years or so, the Klan could not possibly have killed more than twenty-five or so people. Black gangsters kill about a hundred black kids a year in Houston alone. Nationally, it's in the tens of thousands. Gang warfare is murdering and maiming thousand upon thousands of black teenagers and by-standers every year. You tell ME who is the greater danger. The modern Klan is a pathetically small remant of a shameful past. The Crips and Bloods and the Latin Kings and all the rest of the gangs are drenched in blood. "Increase the Peace." My ass. It's about DOPE and MONEY. They are murderers. If the liberals gave a rat's ass about minority kids they would be screaming to have all gangsters in prison. But they won't because they know that the gang wars are a gigantic threat to the Second Amendment. The criminals only comprise about one-tenth of one per cent of the 70 MILLION American gun owners, most of whom are lily white, and law-abiding. Once the liberals have everybody disarmed, what do you suppose comes NEXT? Why are guns such a danger in the hands of minorities "oppressed" by the Klan, and no danger at all in the hands of the 60-something million white gun owners? Answer: CULTURE. It is not acceptable to most Americans, in 2002, to use a firearm on somebody who "disses" you. But that is not true about the "gangsta rap" gangbanger element. You need to re-focus. The weak-ass Klan is no genuine danger to blacks--but the gangs are a tremendous danger, to blacks, and everybody else.

$$

i've been in several situations where a cop has pulled his gun on me..

once in a yard (we were cool, he didn't know we were there to paint, didn't see our bags, left us alone..)

and another time i got hemmed up on th estreet with a friend..the cop ended up threatening us with the gun, and after my friend started mouthing off, he put it in his mouth..

we were eventually let go..

i've learned when police, security, and vigilante citizens are pissed off, they're pretty much down to fuck with you in every way possible

being completely cooperative(or pretending to), and respectful has been the one thing that's gotten me out of those situations

here's a thought.....next time no one is looking, murder a police officer.

I ain't gonna rise to that bait, TrustEvil. You don't want to live in a world with no law, I can guarantee you. You never saw anything like what would happen. The same cops that you think are fucking with you are also keeping the vigilantes at bay. What do you suppose would happen if Old Homer caught you writing on his wall at night, with no law to worry about? He'd bury your ass out in the back, and that would be that. With no law, there would be one giant fire fight that would last about a week. At the end of it, Bubba would rule, cause Bubba's got the firepower. The only thing that keeps them from hosing people right now is that there is no end to the cops, detectives, investigations and judges that would be hunting them. The law PROTECTS criminals from the population, not the other way around. The thugs that get caught are sitting in a jail instead of being planted out behind the Quik-Mart. You ever see a picture of Beirut, Lebanon about 1978? That's the result of "no government." No thanks.

what happened to the day when it was okay to think trains were cool?

damn freight looters...

wouldn't be funny to see a black man i a klan mask

Actually, I used to work with a black guy from Louisiana who did a little business on the side, and he was always joking about his "klan" and he spelled it with a "k." One time he made a joke about the "Black Klux Klan." The Texas-Louisiana border, on both sides of the Sabine River has a lot of those KKK assholes. My co-worker wasn't much intimidated though. His grandfather owned 250 acres and they had three generations living on it. Gramps raised his boys right, they were all hunters and shooters from the time they were twelve or so. Any bad guys came around, they might not be going home again.

(Just cause some land grabbing rail tycoon stole the land doesnt mean Im gonna respect it!!!!)

That's a very good point, the earth belongs to all of us.

railfan: its all good, I just obviously strongly disagreed with what you said. No disrespect tho.

Kabar kabar kabar:

Must we go another round?

Klan- last time I was at a Klan rally was last year. We kicked the fucking fuck out of them and I gaurantee they will never be back. Is violence wrong? Maybee but I think its less wrong than not standing up for what you believe in and not meeting people on the level they come to you on.

"The only way we could have been put down, was in the begining, violently in the streets"

-A. Hitler

Gangs- I hate em, absolutely hate em. ESPECIALY that gang that wears those metal stars on thier chests.

Liberals- Hate em.

conservatives-hate em

Guns- Every one should have one, not just the police.

shoe laces- why do the ends ALWAYS fray after like 3 days!!!!!

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Originally posted by Mige

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Hey are you that guys with the squeaky voice from Voltron cuase i used to love that show

Agent Uprise---We've probably got more in common than we do that separates us, but it's too easy to talk about dropping the hammer on a police officer. If anyone actually killed a cop (or anybody, for that matter) he can expect life to really begin to suck. Young people talk about violence and murder like it's no big deal, but I know men who have actually killed others, and it's not all that easy to live with, regardless of the circumstances. No doubt, there are a few people, mostly men, who can kill and feel no remorse or guilt. I never said we don't have monsters living among us. We do. I'd say that a person who can murder another person and not feel guilt and remorse is pretty much a perfect definition of a psychopath.

I've known a number of war veterans, two or three very well, and even though they were fighting for their lives at the moment, and had every reason to hate and despise their enemies, LIVING WITH IT IS NOT EASY AT ALL.

I'm not surprised at all that you were able to kick the shit out of the Klan. They are mostly beer-guzzling blowhards with the self-esteem of a slug. However, that definition does not fit all groups on the irrational racist right. You want to be careful about somehow getting onto one of their lists.

I was a revolutionary anarchist from 1968 (during the anti-Vietnam War Movement) until 1976, about eight years. I was absolutely sure I was right, and that the State, the Church and the Family were nothing more than a gigantic conspiracy to enslave everyone. I studied anarchist theory, wrote pamphlets, organized unions and all the rest of that. I lived in communes, refused to marry, etc., etc. I hated cops, and everywhere I looked, I saw poor, oppressed people who bore no responsibility for the oppression they seemed to be suffering.

But I was wrong. I grew up, and realized I was wrong. I joined the Marine Corps and really felt astounded that I could have deluded myself for eight years that the system was evil, and all the rest of that anarchist claptrap.

Mainly, it was an elaborate excuse for being unwilling to step up to the plate and accept responsibility for myself and for my own life.

I can't offer you any advice, really (not that you asked for any) except maybe to think for yourself. No system is perfect, but the constitutional rebublic here in the United States comes closer than most. People will believe whatever they want, and they will rant and rave and point their finger and blame everybody except who is actually responsible. We are responsible for our own actions. And that's pretty much how it is.

whoa....go kabar..

((I was a revolutionary anarchist from 1968 (during the anti-Vietnam War Movement) until 1976, about eight years. I was absolutely sure I was right, and that the State, the Church and the Family were nothing more than a gigantic conspiracy to enslave everyone.))

Wow, you folks were truly ahead of your time, very impressive Kabar.

Alot has changed since 1976 (as i'm sure you know), mostly for the worse thanks to the reagan/bush years. Opportunity has diminished immensely from what it was 30 years ago without a doubt. Yes it is much easier to get into college now but the (decent paying) jobs available upon graduation are minimal. Of course this is how corporate america envisioned it, a huge surplus of college educated individuals which allows companies to pay a lower wage due to the "competition" between graduates. Same with the "welfare reform" nonsense, the more workers that are thrown into the job market results in far lower wages being paid then what they actually should be. This is why "competitiveness" is so highly cherished in this country (with sports being the big conditioner from day 1, in my humble opinion), it keeps everyone looking out for "#1" without a second collective thought for all citizens as a whole. Go team !!

Well, the more they change, the more they stay the same. I doubt you'll ever find a copy, but check out "Towards a Citizen's Militia: Anarchist Alternatives to NATO and the Warsaw Pact," International Revolutionary Solidarity Movement, First of May Group. Published by Cienfuegos Press, Over-the-Water, Sanday, Orkney, KW17 2BL, UK, 1980.

Then ask yourself.

"When did the militia movement in the United States begin, and why?"

"Where did the anarchist militants active in the 1970's go to?"

"Why are the liberals so absolutely dead set on disarming the population?"

"Is there any good reason for the average person to enlist in military service?"

"If American anarchists were not in college during the Vietnam War, and draft-age men were being drafted, then a lot of them must have (a.) gone to Canada or Sweden, (b.) gone underground in the U.S., (c.) allowed themselves to be drafted into the Army, or (d.) enlisted in the Reserves to avoid being drafted into the Regulars."

"Note: all the Army and Navy Reserve and National Guard units were full of wealthy industrialists' and politicians' kids except one service (see "George W. Bush"). Which one? Answer: the Marine Corps Reserve. Guess which military service reserve most 1960's anarchists have experience in...

Isn't life strange?