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For Your Consideration

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Pilau Hands, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. Pilau Hands

    Pilau Hands Guest

    My father sent this to me, it's just something else to read if you've got the time.

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    Is There Anything Left That Matters?

    by Joan Chittister, OSB

    National Catholic Reporter
    [29 May 2003]

    This is what I don't understand: All of a sudden nothing seems to matter.

    First, they said they wanted Bin Laden "dead or alive." But they didn't get him. So now they tell us that it doesn't matter. Our mission is greater than one man.

    Then they said they wanted Saddam Hussein, "dead or alive." He's apparently alive but we haven't got him yet, either. However, President Bush told reporters recently, "It doesn't matter. Our mission is greater than one man."

    Finally, they told us that we were invading Iraq to destroy their weapons
    of mass destruction. Now they say those weapons probably don't exist. Maybe never existed. Apparently that doesn't matter either.

    Except that it does matter.

    I know we're not supposed to say that. I know it's called "unpatriotic."

    But it's also called honesty. And dishonesty matters.

    It matters that the infrastructure of a foreign nation that couldn't defend
    itself against us has been destroyed on the grounds that it was a military
    threat to the world.

    It matters that it was destroyed by us under a new doctrine of "pre-emptive war" when there was apparently nothing worth pre-empting.

    It surely matters to the families here whose sons went to war to make the world safe from weapons of mass destruction and will never come home.

    It matters to families in the United States whose life support programs
    were ended, whose medical insurance ran out, whose food stamps were cut off, whose day care programs were eliminated so we could spend the money on sending an army to do what did not need to be done.

    It matters to the Iraqi girl whose face was burned by a lamp that toppled
    over as a result of a U.S. bombing run.

    It matters to Ali, the Iraqi boy who lost his family - and both his arms
    - in a U.S. air attack.

    It matters to the people in Baghdad whose water supply is now fetid, whose electricity is gone, whose streets are unsafe, whose 158 government ministries' buildings and all their records have been destroyed, whose cultural heritage and social system has been looted and whose cities teem with anti-American protests.

    It matters that the people we say we "liberated" do not feel liberated in
    the midst of the lawlessness, destruction and wholesale social suffering
    that so-called liberation created.

    It matters to the United Nations whose integrity was impugned, whose
    authority was denied, whose inspection teams are even now still being
    overlooked in the process of technical evaluation and disarmament.

    It matters to the reputation of the United States in the eyes of the world,
    both now and for decades to come, perhaps.

    And surely it matters to the integrity of this nation whether or not its
    intelligence gathering agencies have any real intelligence or not before we launch a military armada on its say-so.

    And it should matter whether or not our government is either incompetent and didn't know what they were doing or were dishonest and refused to say. The unspoken truth is that either as a people we were misled, or we were lied to, about the real reason for this war. Either we made a huge - and unforgivable - mistake, an arrogant or ignorant mistake, or we are swaggering around the world like a blind giant, flailing in all directions while the rest of the world watches in horror or in ridicule.

    If Bill Clinton's definition of "is" matters, surely this matters. If a
    president's sex life matters, surely a president's use of global force
    against some of the weakest people in the world matters. If a president's
    word in a court of law about a private indiscretion matters, surely a
    president's word to the community of nations and the security of millions
    of people matters.

    And if not, why not? If not, surely there is something as wrong with us as
    citizens, as thinkers, as Christians as there must be with some facet of
    the government. If wars that the public says are wrong yesterday - as over 70% of U.S. citizens did before the attack on Iraq - suddenly become "right" the minute the first bombs drop, what kind of national morality is that?

    Of what are we really capable as a nation if the considered judgment of
    politicians and people around the world means nothing to us as a people?

    What is the depth of the American soul if we can allow destruction to be
    done in our name and the name of "liberation" and never even demand an accounting of its costs, both personal and public, when it is over?

    We like to take comfort in the notion that people make a distinction
    between our government and ourselves. We like to say that the people of the world love Americans, they simply mistrust our government. But excoriating a distant and anonymous "government" for wreaking rubble on a nation in pretense of good requires very little of either character or intelligence.

    What may count most, however, is that we may well be the ones Proverbs warns when it reminds us: "Kings take pleasure in honest lips; they value the one who speaks the truth." The point is clear: If the people speak and the king doesn't listen, there is something wrong with the king. If the king acts precipitously and the people say nothing, something is wrong with the people.

    It may be time for us to realize that in a country that prides itself on
    being democratic, we are our government. And the rest of the world is
    figuring that out very quickly.

    "This is a time for a loud voice, open speech and fearless thinking. I
    rejoice that I live in such a splendidly disturbing time." Helen Keller

    *

    "We must support the strong, we must give courage to the timid, we must
    remind the indifferent and we must warn the opposed."

    -Whitney Moore Young
     
  2. Vanity

    Vanity Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 7,673 Likes Received: 6
    nothing really new...
    though i do find it odd, considering the source and the audience.
     
  3. Kr430n5_666

    Kr430n5_666 Banned

    Joined: Oct 6, 2004 Messages: 19,229 Likes Received: 30
  4. mr.yuck

    mr.yuck Veteran Member

    Joined: May 12, 2000 Messages: 6,952 Likes Received: 6
    Good show. Ilike this:


    If the people speak and the king doesn't listen, there is something wrong with the king. If the king acts precipitously and the people say nothing, something is wrong with the people.
     
  5. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    .there's somethin' wrong with the king AND the people
     
  6. wiseguy

    wiseguy Elite Member

    Joined: Mar 1, 2002 Messages: 2,543 Likes Received: 1
    wow, i guess theres more to catholicism than just paedophilia.
     
  7. Pinup

    Pinup Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 13, 2003 Messages: 2,208 Likes Received: 0
    Llap Goch at its finest ladies and gents !!!

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    [b][color=tomato]WHAT is LLAP-GOCH again?[/color] [/b]

    [color=blue][b]It is an ANCIENT Welsh ART based on a BRILLIANTLY simple I-D-E-A, which is a SECRET. The best form of DEFENCE is ATTACK (Clausewitz) and the most VITAL element of ATTACK is SURPRISE (Oscar HAMMERstein). Therefore, the BEST way to protect yourself AGAINST any ASSAILANT is to ATTACK him before he attacks YOU... Or BETTER... BEFORE the THOUGHT of doing so has EVEN OCCURRED TO HIM!!! SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO RENDER YOUR ASSAILANT UNCONSCIOUS BEFORE he is EVEN aware of your very existence! [/b][/color]
     
  8. Mr.Clean

    Mr.Clean Member

    Joined: Apr 23, 2003 Messages: 462 Likes Received: 0
    bottem line here is, fuck bush. as if it isn't bad enough that he starts mad shit where he has no buisness, mother fucker cant even finish what he started.
     
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