ex-klansman found guilty

if you havent seen the movie 'mississippi burning' go rent it. this piece of trash is responsible for the murder of three civil rights workers, exactly 41 years ago today.

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i would love to go laugh at this ignorant old man while he's sitting in his jail cell.

yeah its too bad he was able to live his entire life a free man.

but die alone and cold!

rot in hell

die. and fuck the jurors who entertained the thought of voting not guilty.

Originally posted by isor357@Jun 21 2005, 12:47 PM

yeah its too bad he was able to live his entire life a free man.

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good point. but at least his reputation is ruined and hopefully someone in prison will teach him something about racism.

The defense rested earlier Monday after a former mayor testified that the Klan was a "peaceful organization."

 

Harlan Majure, who was mayor of this rural Mississippi town in the 1990s, said Killen was a good man and that the part-time preacher's Klan membership would not change his opinion.

 

Majure said the Klan "did a lot of good up here" and said he was not personally aware of the organization's bloody past.

 

"As far as I know it's a peaceful organization," Majure said. His comment was met with murmurs in the packed courtroom

H O L Y.

S H I T.

^^^FOR REAL, WHAT THE FUCK

Yeah, I don't see why people are always bad mouthing the Klan! The Klan don't kill people, Klansmen kill people!

Some times a town needs a lynching to keep the negras from getting uppity!

Dudes 150 years old, he's gonna be getting buttfucked in hell by a hundred mile line of executed rapists (black and white and every race because it's an equal opportunity perdition)... though I still hope he gets buttfucked in prison a couple times...

More likely he's just gonna get sent to a medical ward where the Govt. will pay his medical bills for the rest of his life and he will strategically transfer all the money he saved for that to his heirs so he can avoid the inhertance tax as well UNLESS restitution on the order of 100% of his shit is ordered... So, I'm still not sure prison is what he needs, I think the cost of a .25 cent shell is much more fiscally responsible

he shoulda been tried by a black judge, with an all black jury. that would have made up for the all white judge and jury that aquitted him the first time around. i hope that asshole is placed in an open prison population where he is skullfucked until his head explodes.

Killen wasn't given a total pass the first time around. The ALL-WHITE Philadelphia, Mississippi jury voted 11-1 FOR CONVICTION, even back in 1963. There was one woman who held out, because she said she couldn't vote to convict "a preacher." There were some others convicted of manslaughter. To convict for murder, you must prove intent to kill. The standards for manslaughter in Mississippi are considerably lower, only that someone died during the commission of another crime.

The movie Mississippi Burning doesn't really explain the entire story very well. Like most Hollywood movies, it creates a hero that vanquishes the bad guys. In reality, the FBI didn't have much until a Klansman (who was there when the three civil rights workers were murdered) agreed to accept money to tell the truth and to testify against the others, so long as he was accorded immunity from prosecution. The FBI tried a lot of different tactics, including sending a handsome FBI informant in to seduce the wives of Klansmen while they were at work and a bunch of other stuff like that. They used Navy sailors to search for the bodies because the Constitution forbids using the Army for civilian law enforcement, but the Founders forgot to included the Navy. At that time, murder was not a Federal crime, only a state crime.

Today, the Civil Rights Act makes many of the things done in this incident a Federal crime, for which the Federal government will happily imprison murderers and terrorists. The Klan and the Nazis no longer operate like they did in 1963. Things are different now.

As recently as 1972 there were members of the Klan in the Houston Police Department, but pressure by the department and the newspapers forced them to either quit the HPD or resign from the Klan. So most of them resigned, but that doesn't mean they had a change of heart. Of course, all these men are old and retired now. The influence of the Klan is pitifuly small today. They have around 5,000 members, nation wide. In 1963 they had hundreds of thousands.

The defense rested earlier Monday after a former mayor testified that the Klan was a "peaceful organization."

 

Harlan Majure, who was mayor of this rural Mississippi town in the 1990s, said Killen was a good man and that the part-time preacher's Klan membership would not change his opinion.

 

Majure said the Klan "did a lot of good up here" and said he was not personally aware of the organization's bloody past.

 

"As far as I know it's a peaceful organization," Majure said. His comment was met with murmurs in the packed courtroom

wow i feel so great to be black.

there is no solution, what a beautiful world.

WOW.

ex?

please. theres no such thing as an ex klansman.

Harlan Majure

kabar layed it out pretty good. the thing that sucks about this situation is the fucked up shit the klan was doing, along with the crimes and shady shit the feds were doing. it is a noble cause to "keep the feds out" however when it is solely for race issues, its pretty fucked up.

" The influence of the Klan is pitifuly small today. They have around 5,000 members, nation wide. In 1963 they had hundreds of thousands. "

exactly. the klan is absolutely nothing this day and age. correct me if im wrong but the highest concentration of klansmen is somewhere like ohio.

"please. theres no such thing as an ex klansman."

i can somewhat agree with this. i wonder if this applies to robert byrd as well?

Originally posted by Nutonce@Jun 22 2005, 02:07 PM

The defense rested earlier Monday after a former mayor testified that the Klan was a "peaceful organization."

 

Harlan Majure, who was mayor of this rural Mississippi town in the 1990s, said Killen was a good man and that the part-time preacher's Klan membership would not change his opinion.

 

Majure said the Klan "did a lot of good up here" and said he was not personally aware of the organization's bloody past.

 

"As far as I know it's a peaceful organization," Majure said. His comment was met with murmurs in the packed courtroom

 

wow i feel so great to be black.

 

there is no solution, what a beautiful world.

 

 

 

WOW.

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yeah, I feel you

I love this threads subtitle

Originally posted by LENS@Jun 23 2005, 12:44 AM

I love this threads subtitle

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just being honest

A couple of corrections to what I posted above.

The original Klan defendants were not tried in Philadelphia, MS, they were tried in Meridian, a much larger town. (Still pretty small, though.)

The trials were not in 1963, they were in 1964.

Another thing that is important to remember, this was not an isolated case, it was just so blatantly a collaboration between the Klan and local law enforcement that the Justice Department felt obligated to do something about it. Plenty of people got intimidated or attacked by the Klan and absolutely nothing was done about it.

Here in Houston, we had repeated attacks by Klansmen from the Montgomery County klavern on "left wing" and anti-war targets, including several bombings. The KPFT Pacifica listener-sponsored radio station was bombed off the air twice, by dynamite attacks against their rural transmitter shack. A popular "hippie" restaurant and hang-out, The Family Hand Restaurant, was also bombed twice, at night, when the restaurant was closed. We used to get phone threats just about every Friday night. The kitchen staff used to joke about the Klan giving us a call when they made their second beer run (they always sounded a little intoxicated.) Several of my friends were attacked and beaten up by rednecks while walking home at night, and I knew a couple of girls that had been kidnapped and driven around while being forcibly fondled. The offices of the SDS and Space City News were repeatedly attacked in drive-by shootings, crossbow attacks and a hand grenade attack. It's a miracle nobody was killed. It was clear to me that the Klan, or somebody working with them, had us under surveillance. We were careful not to talk too freely about future plans or anything like that, because it seemed like if one talked too freely, the Klan showed up and tried to disrupt.

If you want a real eye-opener, look into the attack by the Greensboro Klan against the communists in November of 1979. If you have any ideas that the Klan is made up of a bunch of pussies, think again. They are dangerous people, and many of them are definately willing to kill.

wow! thanks for all the info kabar2. that stuff is crazy. and you're very right about it not being an isolated case. i live in ohio and theres still cities where klan meetings are held right out in the open and most people think nothing of it.

The past relationship between the Klan (and nazis following ww2, and to some extent even now, but that's another story) and the U.S. government during that period of time is troubling to say the least. The senate only recently released a formal apology for "not doing more" to stop the lynchings.

Schmitt's shadowy tale is reminiscent of the complex and sordid relationship between U.S. intelligence agencies and the Ku Klux Klan, which served as a clandestine tool for tracking and attacking civil rights activists in the Deep South in the 1960s. Army intelligence utilized KKK initiates to spy on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; FBI and police agents infiltrated and, in some cases, organized Klan associations that murdered civil rights activists and set fire to dozens of African-American homes and churches. (During this period, the FBI had nearly two thousand informants operating inside the Klan and other white hate groups in the United States, accounting for 20 percent of their total membership.) Gary Thomas Rowe, a violent Klansman who was on the FBI payroll, shot a black man to death but kept quiet about his role in the killing - at the Bureau's insistence - so as not to blow his cover. Speaking at a KKK rally, another FBI agent declared, "We will restore white rights if we have to kill every Negro to do it."

White Supremecy and american politics.... Here are some examples:

Carto, for his part, assumed the guise of a super-American patriot wrapping himself in Old Glory at every opportunity. This undoubtedly would have sickened Yockey, whose philosophical ruminations did not square with Carto's thinking on other key points, either. Carto soft-pedaled Yockey's idea that Russia constituted a lesser evil than the United States. H. Keith Thompson, who knew both men quite well, asserted that "Yockey had Soviet connections [but] the current bunch who exploit him don't want to hear about that angle." Indeed, it would have been embarrassing and politically disastrous for Carto if it were known that he revered a man who engaged in espionage missions for Czech Communists.

 

During the early 1960s, the Liberty Lobby set up an office in Washington, D.C., and began to cultivate contacts on Capitol Hill. Projecting himself as a red-white-and-blue conservative rather than a racial nationalist, Carto made a favorable impression on several members of Congress, who recieved financial contributions as well as research and speechwriting favors from Liberty Lobby staffers. Most of his congressional supporters, such as Senator Strom Thurmond, were boll weevils from the Deep South who adamantly opposed civil rights legislation.

 

Warning of the dangers of "mongrelization" in America's schools, Carto advocated a repatriation scheme for sending blacks back to Africa. "Negro equality is easier to believe if there are no Negroes around to destroy the concept," he quipped. Musings of this sort eleicited praise from James Eastland, chairman of the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, who stated, "Carto is a great patriot doing a great service to all Americans." The super-anti-Communist Liberty Lobby also attracted the support of some retired generals and admirals, as well as a handful of wealthy businessmen.

 

Carto's operation got a big boost when Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1964. Although he lost by a landslide, the Liberty Lobby drew a large bloc of Goldwater followers into its orbit by distributing over 20 million pieces of pro-Republican literature. Carto's strategy was to use the names culled from the Goldwater campaign to gain leverage within the GOP. Hiding behind a conservative veneer, he sough to build "a party within a party" so that eventually the racialist Right might seize power by stealth. If that approach failed, a third-party bid remained an option in the future. Carto was willing to try different tactics.

 

Assisted by his German wife, Elisabeth Waltrud (dubbed "Eva Braun" by some Liberty Lobby employees), Carto compiled a huge mailing list to further his political objectives. Some U.S. congressmen lent their signatures to fund-raising letters that the Liberty Lobby rolled out en masse to gullible rightists. By the late 1960s, Carto's intricate web of political fronts was milking funds from an estimated one-quarter million people. Most donors thought they were giving to legitimate conservative groups. Carto, meanwhile, continuted to cultivate ties to neo-Nazi and racialist factions. With links to Congress and paramilitary groups like the whites-only Minutemen, the Liberty Lobby served as a bridge between various sectors of the American far Right.

 

In the late 1960s, a disgruntled Liberty Lobby staffer stumbled upon a file that included private correspondence between Carto and some of his political collaborators. The Liberty Lobby whistleblower found the contents eye-opening, and he leaked copies to columnist Drew Pearson. In one letter Carto wrote: "Hitler's defeat was the defeat of Europe. And of America. How could we have been so blind? The blame, it seems, must be laid at the door of the international Jews. It was their propaganda, lies and demands which blinded the West as to what Germany was doing."

 

On various occasions, according to former Liberty Lobby employee Robert Bartel, Carto asserted to his colleagues that the United States needed a right-wing dictatorship. But the Liberty Lobby wire-puller wouldn't say so publicly. After supporting Alabama governor George Wallace's third-party presidential bid in 1968, Carto tried to seize control of Youth for Wallace, which was renamed the National Youth Alliance. Former directors of the Wallace youth group grew chagrined when they discovered that the real movers and shakers behind Carto's political apparatus were part of a subterranean neo-Nazi cult known as the Francis Parker Yockey Society. "They belong to secret cells," Drew Pearson reported, "where they are known only by code names.... They sing the old Nazi songs, hoard Nazi war relics and display the swastika at their meetings.... They seek the overthrow of democracy in the United States."

 

The Wallace Youth group soon fell apart amid heated internecine strife, and the lechers of the Francis Parker Yockey cult went searching elsewhere for suitable prey. In the coming years, Willis Carto would establish himself as one of the most enduring - and shadowy - figures in the postwar American far Right. Under his command, the Liberty Lobby grew into the largest and best-organized anti -Semitic group in the United States. Functioning as the white racialist movement's leading umbrella organization, it developed close ties to the U.S. militia movement and forged extensive links with right-wing extremists around the world.

KKK and neo-nazis...

By the early 1980s, the Ku Klux Klan had forged an alliance with neo-Nazis in the United States and abroad. Klan chapters sprang up in Great Britain, Sweden, Canada, and Australia. An American air force sergeant based in Bitburg served as a Klan recruiting officer in West Germany, even though KKK activities weere forbidden by U.S. military authorities. The nazification of the Klan coincided with a drive by American white supremecists to raise funds for their German counterparts. Shortly before he died, Michael Kuhnen urged ongoing cooperation between his network and U.S. Klansmen.

 

In September 1991, Dennis Mahon, chif of the White Knights of the KKK in Tulsa, Oklahoma, embarked upon a nine-day, twenty-five-city tour of reunifiedGermany. As Mahon recounted in his Klan newsletter, White Beret: "I had no trouble getting through Customs even though my 85 pounds of luggage was choked [sic] full of National Socialist and Klan 'T' shirts, patches, stickers, jewelry and literature." Although it was illegal to make a stiff-armed salute in Deutschland, Mahon boasted that he "gave hundreds of them all across Germany".

Peep a partial repertoire of this lawyer presented here:

Kirk Lyons, then in his early thirties, represented fellow Texan Louis Beam at the sedition trial, which was held in Fort Smith, Arkansas. A former helicopter gunner in Vietnam, Beam became the Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon of the Lone Star State. To avoid arrest on charges related to the Order, he fled to Mexico with his wife. A fugitive on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, Beam was captured after a gunfight in Guadalajara and returned to the United States. He later served as an ambassador-at-large for the Aryan Nations. But the federal government failed in it's attempt to convict Beam and other defendents of seditious conspiracy. Lyons and his client celebrated the verdict at a Confederate memorial opposite the courthouse, where Beam proclaimed victory over the enemy: "I think ZOG has suffered a terrible defeat here today. I think everyone saw through the charade and saw that I was simply being punished for being a vociferous and outspoken opponent of ZOG."

 

The Fort Smith sedition trial marked Lyons's debut as a lawyer for the white supremacist movement. He became something of a celebrity among ultrarightists for his successful defense of Beam, who, by all accounts, was one of the key players in America's neo-Nazi underground. In addition to his role as the movement's premier military strategist, a techno-savvy Beam created the first computer bulletin boards for the Aryan Nations and several other Christian Identity groups. Kirk Lyons would remain one of his closest collaborators. When Lyons got married at Hayden Lake, Beam was his best man.

 

An activist attorney who sympathized with the views of his clients, Lyons defended several Aryan Nations members charged with felonies ranging from weapons violations to murder. He also coordinated the legal appeal of White Aryan Resistance leader Tom Metzger after he was found liable for the skinhead killing of an Ethiopian immigrant in Portland.

 

Another beneficiary of Lyons's legal counsel was Fred Leuchter, a Boston-based supplier and installer of electric chairs, lethal injection devices, and other execution equipment. Dubbed "Dr. Death" by ABC News, Leuchter ran afoul of the law by practicing engineering without a license. Still, he managed to make a name for himself when he traveled to Auschwitz as a self-proclaimed engineering expert, took a few soil samples, and concluded that the gas chambers were a myth. The so-called Leuchter Report was the product of a $37,000 "study" funded by German-Canadian Ernst Zundel.

 

The Institute for Historical Review quickly embraced Leuchter's "scientific findings," which were also hailed by Major General Otto Ernst Remer and other die-hard Holocaust deniers. Leuchter and Lyons attended an IHR conference in souther California in October 1992 at which they met some of the leading lights of the negationist circuit, including Bela Ewald Althans. "I enjoyed the IHR conference," Lyons recounted. "It was mainly a lot of old men with interesting views on World War Two. I support all forms of revisionism.... When the World War Two veterans are gone, I think revisionism will come into its own."

This shit goes on and on and on....

For Angelofdeath:

Regarding the republican party and Pat Buchanan.

While U.S. neo-Nazis and the religious Right differed in crucial respects, they saw eye-to-eye in their opposition to gun control, abortion, homosexuality, nonwhite immigration, and other shared concerns. These issues figured prominently in Patrick Buchanan's quest for the Republican presidential nomination. "Our culture is superior to other cultures, superior because our religion is Christianity," he declared. Reeking of Christian patriot rhetoric, his antiforeigner stump speech scapegoated undocumented "aliens" ("listen, Jose, you're not coming in this time!") and called for protectionist trade measures. During the 1996 GOP primaries, Buchanan was endorsed by several prominent religious Right leaders and by the Liberty Lobby. "Buchanan's campaign platform reads like nothing less than a statement of the Liberty Lobby's positions on the issues," the Spotlight noted.

The cochairman of Pat Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign was Larry Pratt, a key figure in militia leadership circles. As head of Gun Owners of America, Pratt attended the October 1992 militia planning meeting in Colorodo hosted by Christian Identity pastor Pete Peters. A featured speaker at Liberty Lobby conferences, Pratt also appeared at rallies with prominent white supremacists such as Eustace Mullins, Aryan Nations chief Richard Butler, and former KKK leader Lous Beam. In addition, Pratt was a financial supporter of CAUSE, the ultra-right-wing legal foundation run by Kirk Lyons. After Pratt's forced to resign from the Buchanan campaign, which officially employed several other white supremacists.

 

Although it disparaged the Christian Coalition's close ties to the GOP leadership, the Liberty Lobby began to collaborate with other influential religious Right organizations, including James Dobson's Focus on the Family, which has more than 3 million members. An article by Dobson attacking women's rights ran in the Spotlight, which also praised the American Family Association, led by Rev. Donald Wildmon, for its tough stand against homosexuality. In addition, Wildmon's strident views were featured on LogoPlex, the Liberty Lobby's racialist computer bulletin board service. The Institute for First Amendment Studies described LogoPlex as an "electronic meeting place of Christian Identity, Aryan Nations, WHite Supremacists, gun owners, and Christian Patriots." Through this computer bulletin board, one could download an entire copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, along with Wildmon's latest publications and information about how to join his group. Another popular figure on the Liberty Lobby's LogoPlex was Pete Peters, the Colorodo-based Christian Identity pastor who hosted the militia planning meeting that Aryan Nations ambassador Louis Beam and attorney Kirk Lyons attended in October 1992. Despite his links to unabashed neo-Nazis, Peters enjoyed increasing acceptance among conservative evangelicals thanks to the Keystone Inspiration Network, a self-described "family TV" channel available in 120 American cities. They Keystone network aired Peters's bigoted sermons along with Pat Robertson's The 700 Club and other religious Right programming.

 

Mankind Quarterly had a sister journal in West Germany, Neue Anthropologie, which was edited by neo-Nazi attorney Jurgen Rieger. In addition to carrying advertisements for each other, these kindred periodicals featured many of the same writers and had interlocking editorial advisory boards. While editing Neue Anthropologie and collaborating with Pearson, Rieger defended German neo-Nazi leader Michael Kuhnen. Rieger later worked with American militia advisor Kirk Lyons.

Damn, villian...bump for all of that..

David Duke and the Repugnant Party....

On the home front, the Liberty Lobby was instrumental in launching the political career of former Klansman David Duke. Once a swastika-wearing member of an American Nazi Party splinter group, Duke was featured in the Spotlight ("smart as a tack") while he was Imperial Wizard of the Louisiana Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the mid-1970s. During that period, he recruited and mentored several Klansmen, including Louis Beam and Tom Metzger, who would later become important figures in America's violent racialist underground. For several years, Duke sold books through a mail-order catalog that offered neo-Nazi classics, such as Imperium by Francis Parker Yockey.

 

After leaving the Klan, Duke formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP), which he claimed was a civil rights organization designed to protect the identity and interests of Caucasian Americans. The NAAWP advocated partitioning the United States into separate racial areas. To avoid the negative connotation of "white supremacist," Duke and many other neo-Nazis adopted the more innocuous-sounding "white separatist" label.

 

Like his Liberty Lobby advisors, Duke was an ardent Holocaust-denier, calling it "a myth perperated on Christians by Jews." In 1986, the NAAWP chief attended a negationist conference in souther California hosted by the Institute for Historical Review. During this gathering, a conversation between Duke and a neo-Nazi colleague was recorded on audiotape. "I hate to be Machiavellian, but I would suggest that you don't really talk much about [National Socialism]... publicly," said Duke. When asked why, he explained, "I'm trying to bring new people in, like a drummer. The difference is, they can call you a Nazi and make it stick - tough, really hard .... It's going to hurt your ability to communicate with them. It's unfortunate it's like that.... It might take decades to bring this government down."

 

Whereupon Duke's colleague chimed in, "It doesn't take that many people, though, to start something rolling. Hitler started with several men....."

 

"Right!" Duke gushed. "And don't you think it can happen right now, if we put the right package together?"

 

Putting the right package together was exactly what Duke had in mind when he followed the "tripartisan" electoral strategy recommended by the Spotlight, which entailed working inside both major parties as well as supporting an independent third party - whatever seemed most oppportune. Beginning as a Democrat in the Southern primaries, Duke ran for president in 1988. Quickly shifting gears, he became the presidential candidate for the far Right Populist Party, another Cartoid creation. Next, Duke campaigned as a Republican in a special election for a seat in the Louisiana state legislature. To raise funds for this bid, he drew upon a national network of donors culled from the Liberty Lobby's extensive mailing list, which Duke rented; his direct mail pitch was crafted by Liberty Lobby staffers, who also provided advice on how to file campaign-finance reports. After winning by a slim margin in February 1989, Duke hired Trisha Katson, a Liberty Lobby crony and a regular contributor to the Spotlight, as his legislative aide.

 

Duke, age thirty-nine, insisted that he had cleaned up his racialist act and was now a true-blue Republican. But he still sold Holocaust-denial tracts and other books published by Liberty Lobby's Noontide Press from his legislative office. And he also spoke admiringly of Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor who performed ghastly experiments on inmates at Auschwitz. "He was a genius," Duke told a Republican state committee member from New Orleans in August 1989. "His genetic research on twins was incredible."

 

In 1991, Duke ran a heated campaign for governor of Lousiana. His bid was supported by the Liberty Lobby's Populist Action Committee, which raised money through appeals to subscribers of the Spotlight. With his blow-dried hair and surgically enhanced smile, Duke was careful to avoid crude, racialist formulations. Instead of white superiority or black inferiority, he emphasized cultural differences. "In Duke's hands, racism takes on a people-loving, positive spin," observed Village Voice correspondent Leslie Savan. She put her finger on the crux of the matter by noting that Duke had managed "to redefine his prejudice as pluralistic pride." When he appeared on national television, Duke sounded tolerant and reasonable. "There's nothing wrong with black people being proud of their heritage and their race," he insisted. "There's nothing wrong with white people being proud of theirs."

 

Duke's smooth-talking campaign was confusing to many people who could recognize extremism when garbed in Nazi or Klan regalia but not when it hid behind the slippery rhetoric that mainstream Republicans were using to attack welfare, undocumented immigration, minority set-asides, and affirmative action. Although he emphasized identical themes and employed the same calculated vocabulary that had served the GOP so well in recent years, Duke was roundly condemned by President George Bush and other Republican leaders. Still, Duke managed to win a majority of the white vote in a losing gubernatorial effort. His strength at the polls demonstrated that the views of white supremecists, if packaged correctly, could have mainstream appeal.

 

One of the least-noticed aspects of Duke's campaign for governor was the endorsement of Reverend Billy McCormick, the head of the Louisiana chapter of the Christian Coalition. Led by televangelist Pat Robertson, the Christian Coalition had emerged as the most powerful grassroots force within the Republican Party. In alliance with Duke's organization, the Christian Coalition proceeded to gain control of the GOP state organization in Louisiana. This was part of a precinct-by precinct, state-by-state drive to take over the Republican party across the country. Toward this end, Robertson's foot soldiers were initially told to soft-pedal their religious message and, if necessary, conceal their affiliation with the Christian Coalition, which supposedly operated as a nonpartisan, tax-exempt group.

 

By 1995, the Christian Coalition claimed to have more than a million and a half members. Its collaboration with Duke in Louisiana was surprising at first glance, given the former Klansman's ongoing antipathy toward Israel and Jews in general, which put him at loggerheads with pro-Zionist evangelicals like Robertson. But Robertson's support for Israel had little to do with a sincere affection for Jews, whom he viewed as "spiritually deaf" and "spiritually blind"; rather, it was predicated on end-of-the-world New Testament prophesy, which stipulated that all Jews must gather in the State of Israel before the Second Coming, whereupon they would be converted en masse to Christianity or killed in the battle of Armageddon.

 

The Christian Coalition's sympathy for David Duke is more understandable upon closer examination of Pat Robertson's paradoid ideology. His bestselling 1992 book, The New World Order, purports to reveal an elaborate, centuries-old conspiracy dominated by a satanically spawned clique of Freemasons, occultists, and European bankers who just happen to have Jewish names. Refurbishing the old canard about a handful of rich Jews who backed both goldless Communism and monopoly capitalism as part of a sinister, long-range plan, the Christian Coalition commander claimed this ongoing superconspiracy was behind everything from the French and Russian Revolutions to the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln.

 

Robertson's musings resembled not only anti-Jewish motifs of the past - he listed several notorious anti-Semites in his bibiliography - but militia fables of the present. In his books and on his ubiquitous cable network, he railed against one-world government and the United Nations. Robertson's nightly TV show, The 700 Club also promoted the militia line on Waco and gun control. Spokesmen for the Militia of Montana appeared on this program as experts, commenting upon photos of black helicopters and other misinterpreted phenomena that were allegedly threatening American citizens. New York Times columnist Frank Rich summed it up best when he accused Pat Robertson of throwing "gasoline on the psychic fires of the untethered militias running across this country."

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When challenged by the New York Times (March 4, 1995), Robertson did not repudiate any of his anti-Semitc sources. Instead he insisted that his book was "carefully researched [with] seven single-spaced pages" of references. One of the so-called authorities Robertson cited was Eustace Mullins, an advisory board member of the Liberty Lobby's Populist Action Committee, who depicted the Federal Reserve as a front for a handful of sinister Jews. Described by the Spotlight as "the dean of America's populist authors," Mullins was a frequent speaker at Liberty Lobby events over the years. While a member of the neo-Nazi National Renaissance Party in the early 1950s, Mullins penned an article entitled "Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation," which he never repudiated. Yet, it did not hurt Robertson's standing as a GOP power broker to be associated with this raving Jew-baiter, who recently praised the militias as "the only organized threat to the Zionists' absolute control of the U.S."

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Although they were both nourished by the odiferous compost of conspiracy theory and hate that has long moldered on the American margins, the Christian Coalition and the militia movement parted ways in their approach to politics. Robertson's Christian soldiers went the mainstream electoral route, seeking to take over the system from within, while the militias picked up their guns and declared war against the "Republicrats" who ran the country at the behest of sinister, hidden forces. Like Robertson, some militia stalwarts fretted about Freemasons and the eighteenth-century Illuminati; others obsessed over an international Jewish cabal. Whether explicity racialist or not, these conspiritorial motifs reflected the same anti-Semitic archetype- although this was not readily apparent to most militia initiates. Such widespread ignorance shows the profound potential for hatred that lurked on the far Right fringe, where yesterday's secret societies could easily shape-shift into ZOG.

 

Cross-fertilization between American white supremacists and their somewhat less extreme (and far more numerous) religious Right cousins is emblematic of the profound political changes that had been catalyzed by the end of the Cold War. Prior to the collapse of the USSR, anti-Communism served as the ideological glue that bound together disparate right-wing factions in the United States. It provided a convenient cover for segregationists who attacked the civil-rights movement by accusing Martin Luther King, Jr., of being a Communist (charges that were repeated in the Spotlight). When the Soviet Union unraveled, the cry of anti-Communism became archaic rather than cohesive, and racially charged themes reemerged with a vengeance to fill the void. The Cold War meltdown fostered not only the resurgence of the far Right, both nationally and internationally, but a realignment of forces that blurred the line between conservatives and hitherto marginalized sectors of the racialist Right.

There's alot more... but that's a hell of a lot of typing (yes I'm typing this all by hand so I hope SOMEBODY reads this shit.)

I think it's important to note that the Cold War began immediately after WWII ended. It was largely instigated by General Gehlen and his Gehlen Org (German Eastern Front General Gehlen) who was recruited by the fledgling OSS which later became the CIA. Gehlen Org however was also working with the Russians and they were playing both of us against each other. So the cold war was a terrible period in our history based solely on fear at first, but eventually the hostilities became real. All at the provocation of former Nazis. We've witnessed a Soviet collapse already. It might not be too far fetched to imagine the collapse of the U.S. by undercover fascists, who will then emerge in the power vacuum to officially assume power.

*Oh I should probably add before I forget, that I pulled these quotes from "The Beast Reawakens" by Martin A. Lee. It is, of course, highly recommended by me.

Originally posted by dumy@Jun 23 2005, 05:53 PM

Damn, villian...bump for all of that..

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Oh good, someone is actually reading this... :haha:

"Carto's operation got a big boost when Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1964. Although he lost by a landslide, the Liberty Lobby drew a large bloc of Goldwater followers into its orbit by distributing over 20 million pieces of pro-Republican literature. Carto's strategy was to use the names culled from the Goldwater campaign to gain leverage within the GOP. Hiding behind a conservative veneer, he sough to build "a party within a party" so that eventually the racialist Right might seize power by stealth. If that approach failed, a third-party bid remained an option in the future. Carto was willing to try different tactics. "

i dont know alot about "carto's operation" however to try to link goldwater as a die hard racist is about absurd. did he oppose civil rights legislation? sure did. what other government interventions/bills/agencies does he oppose? damn near all of them. to say he has a "conservative veneer" is just a sneaky line.

""Our culture is superior to other cultures, superior because our religion is Christianity," he declared. Reeking of Christian patriot rhetoric, his antiforeigner stump speech scapegoated undocumented "aliens" ("listen, Jose, you're not coming in this time!") and called for protectionist trade measures. During the 1996 GOP primaries, Buchanan was endorsed by several prominent religious Right leaders and by the Liberty Lobby. "Buchanan's campaign platform reads like nothing less than a statement of the Liberty Lobby's positions on the issues," the Spotlight noted. "

once again, talk about spin. so if buchanan gives a speech, and some white supremicists are there is he one? is wanting to get rid of ILLEGAL aliens racist? wanting illegals to get the fuck out, is racism in the 21st century. same with protectionism. your racist if you advocate it. as tancredo said, dealing the race card from the bottom of the deck, is used only to try to discredit your opponent, when you have no other real arguments.

" The cochairman of Pat Buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign was Larry Pratt, a key figure in militia leadership circles. As head of Gun Owners of America, Pratt attended the October 1992 militia planning meeting in Colorodo hosted by Christian Identity pastor Pete Peters. A featured speaker at Liberty Lobby conferences, Pratt also appeared at rallies with prominent white supremacists such as Eustace Mullins, Aryan Nations chief Richard Butler, and former KKK leader Lous Beam. In addition, Pratt was a financial supporter of CAUSE, the ultra-right-wing legal foundation run by Kirk Lyons. After Pratt's forced to resign from the Buchanan campaign, which officially employed several other white supremacists."

im sure kabar could touch on larry pratt, but gun owners of america is a great group. of course any thing with "militia" in a story, is immediately labeled racist. half of th post above is spin and half truths. most of these allegations proved false later on. i mean seriously if we wanted to pull some "guilty by association" stuff, i could be pulling that all you guys who voted for kerry are racist because edwards advocates some what protectionist policies and the majority leader at the time robert byrd was an ex klan recruiter. of course this ground is all well trod, but i just want to point out, before the left throws fingers at someone, they need to take a look at themselves. i dont blame it on pratt or buchanan because some white supremicists flock to their platform. i might of missed the racist parts of buchanan's platform, but i thought it contained a line..."equal rights to ALL, special rights for none."

i wouldnt trust the SPLC on much, they called pratt and buchanan racist too. hell, read about them on the SPLC page, they are practically adolf and mousillini from ameriKKKa. same with howard phillips etc etc, even the LOS they explicately state hatred for racist groups. they condemned the minute man project as a racist group as well.

thanks villian for posting all that. we all need educated on this stuff.

and thank you angelofdeath as well.

man this thread blew up with information.

You're welcome ducky.

Angelofdeath: I think you are misreading this. It's not saying Goldwater is explicitly racist. It says that the Liberty Lobby drew supporters from the Goldwater campaign. It's talking about CARTO "hiding behind a conservative veneer".

Buchanan is racist. He makes little effort to hide this. He rails on illegal immigration because it's a more electable platform than white christian superiority.

Robert Byrd is an EXklansman. And as far as I can tell he is sincere about his change of heart. You vaguely comment about "some what protectionist policy". That is a poor defense in light of the fact that Republicans actively and currently collaborate with racists and in some cases are racist themselves.

Don't you feel like you would be more comfortable on LogoPlex? I have to wonder what you are doing on 12oz defending views like that. You might truly believe conservative policies, but there are many who are just plain racist. If you are a true conservative you would be better off dealing with the Libertarians, or even Anarchists rather than defending these racists.