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double edged swords

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by boogie hands, Jun 7, 2001.

  1. boogie hands

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    double edged swords

    Discussion started by boogie hands - Jun 7, 2001

    sssooooo......as i logged on i saw something about mcveigh dropping his appeal to delay the execution. now i knew there was no way in hell any court would side with mcveighs attorneys on this, that would be ridiculous. i think what bothered me what that he even had these rights, after the crime he perpetrated and after he CONFESSED to it.
    in the same aspect though the same laws that would give mcviegh and his attorneys this right (to waste tax payers money) also give the many innocent people on death row the chance to prove they did nothing wrong. the same thing goes with the 1st amendment, as much as id like to see a muzzel (or a gun barrel) thrown on the moulth of every bigot in this country i also understand that if that was to take place, it would be the first step towards the degridation (spelling??) of the rights we hold as americans. very, very frustrating......

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  2. d-town_bomber

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    d-town_bomber - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    man i know what you are saying but i heard hes getting executed on monday is that true?????
     
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  3. boogie hands

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    boogie hands - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    yeah...sure is, by lethal injection...you know what the other word is for that, "humane euthanasia", they do it to pets when they get too old.....hhhmmmm....i wonder if what mcveigh did was anywhere close to "humane euthanasia"......something to think about.

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    Fox Mulder - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    boogie think about this... the people who died in the bombing, most died instantly or very quickly. mcveigh knows he is going to be executed. i think that has to be a hard thing to go through. personally i don't think we should have the death penalty, not because i don't think certian people don't deserve it for their crimes, but that if an innocent person has been executed and we find out about it later. you can't bring them back from the dead. and there is no sure way to know if someone did the crime or not. another thing that pisses me off is that Bush claims to be a christian, but laughs about people being executed. what a brain dead fuck. oh well, nothing i say will change anything.
     
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  5. imported_SecretAgentX9 - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    good point fox. this making me think about that movie dead man walking, with sean penn.. you know throughout the whole movie he is denying the murders.. in the end when he is all strapped up and about to die he starts crying and whatnot.. that is what will happen with mcveigh.
     
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    kid furie - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    texas has only used genetic testing on one death row prisoner. he turned out to be innocent. bush deserves something alot worse than death.
     
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    Fox Mulder - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    Kid furie thats not worse than the state of Virginia, we have a 21 day rule. if evidence proving you not guilty comes up 22 days after the conviction...oh well
     
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    Fox Mulder - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    oh, and i'm not trying to say mcveigh isn't getting what he deserves. he knew what he was doing. i was watching some show on tv about this and they were talking about how he thought of himself as a soldier, how he was able to block out any feelings of remorse about the bombing. but how he was able to have feelings about other tragedies.

    i think the best thing said was that Mcveigh saw it as something he had to do, as if it was an assignment, like dropping the nuclear bomb. innocent people died in that, yet we just saw that as a casualty of war.
     
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    Fox Mulder - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    AHHHH, FUCK, i could go on and on(and i am) about how the FBI hid this shit. i don't care who the person was or what they did. thats fucking with-holding evidence.
     
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    kid furie - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    we knew about pearl harbor before it happened.
     
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    EatMorGlue - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    the FBI is fucked, from what i've been reading in the papers this mcveigh foul up is just the tip of the iceburg.
     
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    EatMorGlue - Replied Jun 7, 2001

    but then again the media is fucked too but aaaaaaah what can ya do, ya know? fuck the world.
     
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    atc - Replied Jun 8, 2001

    The thing is, excuting him is what he wants. That way, he becomes a martyr (even though I believe he is in the bottom of a very big food chain). I mean, let him get ass raped until he dies, killing him is letting him off easy, and its not a anti-capital punishment argument, I just happen to feel that getting ass-raped daily and being confined to the same space for the rest of your life is worse that dying. peace.
     
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    boogie hands - Replied Jun 8, 2001

    hhmmmm....yeah, i understand what your saying Fox. its really a hard thing to decide on, my voice of reason says the death penalty is the wrong way to go but then my emotions also come into play on this one. when innocent lives are taken its only human to want that person to feel every bit of pain that every single person who was touched by their actions felt....its hard to figure out how to punish someone who commits an act like that....im sure i could come up with the most vile, horrible punishment, something that would cause that person unimaginable pain for a very long period of time....more justice (if you want to call that justice) than just ending their life right??? that same punishment could then be used on an innocent person, just as the death penalty is. all i could really see that would help the problem is strickter guidelines on who can recive the death penalty....then again there is always a way around that....aaaaaahhhhhhhhhoj.....ahem, excuse me. this is probably one of those things that will never be agreed on by both parties....i cant even agree with myself on it sometimes.....

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    Step8 - Replied Jun 8, 2001

    agreed, fuck death, imagine being locked in a box for the rest of your life.
     
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