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Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by El Mas Sucio De Todos, Sep 14, 2001.

  1. El Mas Sucio De Todos

    El Mas Sucio De Todos Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 5, 2001 Messages: 2,517 Likes Received: 0
    "We abhor terrorism -- unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing.
    We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me.
    Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers!

    We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of innocent people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to interrupt our day one single bit.

    We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the world,
    with our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in Gaza, in
    Salvador) that I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised when those orphans grow up and are a little whacked in the head from the horror we have helped cause.

    Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted by
    a guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of ex-military guys who hated the federal government.

    From the first minutes of today’s events, I never heard that possibility suggested. Why is that? Maybe it’s because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key ingredient in getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the all-important race card. It’s much easier to get us to hate when the object of our hatred doesn’t look like us.

    Congressmen and Senators spent the ay calling for more money for the military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn’t want to hear any more talk about more money for education or health care -- we
    should have only one priority: our self-defense. Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure
    when the rest of the world isn’t living in poverty so we an have nice running shoes?

    In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He
    withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban
    conference on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- you name it, and Baby Bush has blown it all.
    The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version
    of “God Bless America.” They’re not a bad group of singers!
    Yes, God, please do bless us.

    Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get
    back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE
    for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes’ destination of California --
    these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!
    Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity…

    Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.

    It doesn’t have to be like this…


    Michael Moore
  2. people sleep on this mans intelligence


    Now back to your regularly scheduled re-programming...
  3. 9/13/01

    Across America Tonight ...

    Dear Friends,

    I am on the road tonight, the only way to get out of L.A. and back home to
    our daughter and our friends in New York City. Oddly enough, I have never
    driven across this vast country. My wife and I have now stopped in
    Flagstaff for a few hours sleep before moving on.

    The sorrow and anger builds across America. Talk radio tonight was filled
    with calls for carpet-bombing every Arab country. Many want revenge, blood.
    But a surprising number of people have called for us to not add to the
    killing of more innocent humans. The rest stops and the convenience stores
    along the way were filled with quiet, solemn people, many of whom, like us,
    can get home no other way than by this four-day trip.

    Our daughter is fine, mostly frightened by my desire to fly home to her
    rather than drive. Once again, I was outvoted 2 to 1. This is nothing new.

    We have learned of more people we know who have lost their lives. Bill
    Weems, who worked as a line producer for us this year, was on the flight
    from Boston that crashed into the World Trade Center. He was such a sweet
    and decent soul. Such senseless madness.

    The children of New York who are orphaned tonight ... what do we say or do?
    I will do my part -- anything, something -- as soon as I get to New York.
    But it will never be enough.

    The firefighters of New York: they are on every other block, every day, and
    they are your best neighbors. Sitting out on the sidewalks in front of the
    fire stations, a good word and a kind smile to all who pass ... now, 350+
    of them gone, having risked their lives to save the victims of a carnage
    they soon became part of.

    A good friend from Flint is a clerical worker at the Pentagon. I have heard
    no word about her condition. I have tried contacting her family to no
    avail. Her son, Malcolm, worked on our show. I cannot find him. I keep
    getting tears in my eyes. Once she gave me a tour of the Pentagon, took me
    everywhere, and got such a kick out of taking me around this building I
    used to march on. Will our mutual friends who know Barbara, and know how
    she is, please write me? Please.

    The man who occupies the White House cried today. Good. Keep crying, Mr.
    Bush. The more you cry, the less you will go to that dark side in all
    humans where anger rages to a point where we want to blindly kill. Your
    dad's and Reagan's old cronies -- Eagleberger, Baker, Schultz -- are all
    calling for you to bomb first and ask questions later. You must NOT do
    this. If only because you do not want to stoop to these mass murderers'
    level. Yes, find out who did it. Yes, see that they NEVER do it again.

    But GET A GRIP, man. "Declare war?" War against whom? One guy in the desert
    whom we can never seem to find? Are our leaders telling us that the most
    powerful country on earth cannot dispose of one sick evil f---wad of a guy?
    Because if that is what you are telling us, then we are truly screwed. If
    you are unable to take out this lone ZZ Top wannabe, what on earth would
    you do for us if we were attacked by a nation of millions? For chrissakes,
    call the Israelis and have them do that thing they do when they want to get
    their man! We pay them enough billions each year, I am SURE they would be
    happy to accommodate your request.

    But I beg you, Mr. Bush, stay with the tears. Go today to comfort the
    wounded of New York. Tell the mayor, a guy most of us have not liked, that
    he is doing an incredible job, keeping the spirits of everyone up as high
    as they can be at this moment. Being there for a city I believe he loves,
    his own cancer still with him, he goes beyond the call of duty.

    But do not declare war and massacre more innocents. After bin Laden's
    previous act of terror, our last elected president went and bombed what he
    said was "bin Laden's camp" in Afghanistan -- but instead just killed
    civilians. Then he bombed a factory in the Sudan, saying it was "making
    chemical weapons." It turned out to be making aspirin. Innocent people
    murdered by our Air Force.

    Back in May, you gave the Taliban in Afghanistan $48 million dollars of our
    tax money. No free nation on earth would give them a cent, but you gave
    them a gift of $48 million because they said they had "banned all drugs."

    Because your drug war was more important than the actual war the Taliban
    had inflicted on its own people, you helped to fund the regime who had
    given refuge to the very man you now say is responsible for killing my
    friend on that plane and for killing the friends of families of thousands
    and thousands of people. How dare you talk about more killing now! Shame!
    Shame! Shame! Explain your actions in support of the Taliban! Tell us why
    your father and his partner Mr. Reagan trained Mr. bin Laden in how to be a

    Am I angry? You bet I am. I am an American citizen, and my leaders have
    taken my money to fund mass murder. And now my friends have paid the price
    with their lives.

    Keep crying, Mr. Bush. Keep running to Omaha or wherever it is you go while
    others die, just as you ran during Vietnam while claiming to be "on duty"
    in the Air National Guard. Nine boys from my high school died in that
    miserable war. And now you are asking for "unity" so you can start another
    one? Do not insult me or my country like this!

    Yes, I, too, will be in church at noon today, on this national day of
    mourning. I will pray for you, and us, and the children of New York, and
    the children of this sad and ugly world ...


    Michael Moore
    [email protected] www.michaelmoore.com

    Now back to your regularly scheduled re-programming...
  4. buckwild

    buckwild Guest

    war no more.make love not war.no more war

    pass it on
  5. fr8oholic

    fr8oholic Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 23, 2000 Messages: 9,256 Likes Received: 2
    mr. moore kicks ass as an american and a human being. rock on sir, f'ing rock on. be well and godspeed.
  6. 23578

    23578 Elite Member

    Joined: Jul 2, 2000 Messages: 2,521 Likes Received: 0
    that second to last sentence just about expresses my sentiments. it's not the general consensus however, more like let's mourn, let's greive, then spend more money on useless shit, and bomb the hell out of countries which MAY be harboring the ones responsible. if i was master, what would i tell america. . .why don't you kill saddam first, you fucking war monger sadists couldn't do that proper so millions of innocent people who've had no choice in where to be born have had to die as a result. i am getting sick listening to people talk about how we have to get back at it, show them(rest of world, terrirists) we are tough and freedom is strong. man, it's more like prove to them we are the hard-hearted, bastard, earth fuckers the rest of the world has suspected us of being from the start of the nuclear age. and coincidentally, it was pearl harbor that started the nuclear age. president roosevelt authorized money for research on what was to be called the manhatten project the day afterwards. do we even stop to think of what we may be ushering in, i hope it's not more of this satan. another side note, i'm seriously getting sick of hearing national anthems getting played at this time.
  7. bobobi11

    bobobi11 Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 15, 2000 Messages: 2,807 Likes Received: 0
    I have so many thoughts and emotions running through my head that I feel unable to make coherent decisions regarding my feelings. I just don't know what we should do.

    I do find it interesting and pretty insulting the way the media is handling this. Over the last day or so I have heard many commentators saying that we need to strike now while the public is angry and behind an attack. God forbid, we might give people a few days to calm down and reasonably think out our reactions and course of action.

    That's all. My (rapidly declining in value) two cents.