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Do entheogens give spirits access to humans?

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by dosoner, Sep 17, 2001.

  1. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26
    Our modern culture of the Great Awakening, science and technology makes it seem normal to scoff at spiritual practices. Two-thousand years ago seizures were thought to be the result of demon posession. Modern man believes seizures to be the result of Epilepsy, brought on by chemical imbalances.

    I have heard it said that Salvia is known as a feminine teacher and Peyote is known as a protector and also a teacher spirit. I'm curious to find out what you guys believe about these and others.

    Do these substances merely temporarily change the body's chemistry or is something spiritual actually going on? If something spiritual is indeed going on, it would follow that one could facilitate the experience through lucidity.

    Personaly, i think its nothin more than the substance disrupting the feedback loop of the mind, and just throwing the thought process off, that makes it seem like spiritual contact is happing.
  2. Organ Donor

    Organ Donor Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 4, 2001 Messages: 2,884 Likes Received: 0
    tripping definatly seems spiritual. it brings out a lot of things i already know but never talk about. i definatly feel i gain some insight while tripping.I think it is my mind releasing some thought i have gained to me, but not anything spiritual. and anything said about religion i dont believe in so that may say somthing on how i think. i dont know if i made a point or if i just babbled, sorry im tired... atleast its another intelligent topic though. cant wait to see what happens.
  3. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

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    im with you on the religion thing, i think people that are more religious would be more into a spiritual experiance, since its already in their head, the chemical may just highten there "awarness" and give them a feeling of being closer to god or a spiritual being.
  4. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

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  5. beardo

    beardo Guest

    all this talk about tripping recently is making me want to come out of retirement.
  6. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

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    dont give in, we all really know its bad for you.
  7. mental invalid

    mental invalid Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 11, 2001 Messages: 13,050 Likes Received: 8
    ...if anything acid killed my belief of my god...r
  8. pacman

    pacman Member

    Joined: May 29, 2001 Messages: 479 Likes Received: 1
    moderation...is good
  9. hipnos

    hipnos Guest

    read 'the teachings of don juan: a yaqui way of knowledge' by carlos castaneda... just read it..it's all about that..
  10. bug

    bug Guest

    don't like the acid. like mushrooms. mushrooms like acid but ten times better
  11. Organ Donor

    Organ Donor Elite Member

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    bump because no one has anything smart to say these days and this might help.
  12. tow up from tha flow up !

    tow up from tha flow up ! Member

    Joined: May 31, 2001 Messages: 878 Likes Received: 1
    i definately think it can be something metaphysical. i believe the mind is taught to build a web in order to survive. we are taught what's real is real, what's fake is all in your head. if you think about it, humans have nothing instinctual about them. we are taught how to eat, how to think, how to feel, how to speak, how to properly empty your bladder and bowels, we are taught what smells good or bad, what tastes good or bad, what is pleasing to the ear, etc. all of these teachings are what build and make up the web to what we believe is reality. we can't really look beyond or survive without the web so we don't realize the life that goes on without our 5 senses and a language. i think hallucinogings, mind altering substances, and even dreams to an extent temporarily allow access to see beyond the set in stone "sanity". Which in turn can either be used to heighten your senses.. See things you normally wouldn't believe were there; hear the things you see, see the things you hear, etc. heighten your emotions.. feeling "vibes" more easily, expieriencing someone elses emotions, ccoming to grips with oppressed feelings.. or, if you are seeking it, it can heighten your ability to interact with your soul, and even get to know someone elses. The downside is, it's very hard to expierience enlightenment on a drug and be able to fully comprehend it when the drug has worn off. I believe that's because you open up dormant senses that are impossible to remember because you're memory can't comprehend them. So I think drugs are good for showing you what's possible to accomplish, especially in the metaphysical sense, kindof showing you the path almost.. but I think without meditation, fasting, visualization, seeking, questioning, and being open minded, it's impossible to follow the path that was layed out before you.

    For me anyway.

    I hope some of this made sense.

    PRUDE - If I had nuts, you'd be on 'em.
  13. graffitiSUX

    graffitiSUX Senior Member

    Joined: May 18, 2001 Messages: 1,659 Likes Received: 0
    read up on DMT for anyone who doesn't know about it. i think you will find what you are looking for regarding spiritual "drugs"
  14. ReALiiiis

    ReALiiiis New Jack

    Joined: Sep 11, 2001 Messages: 31 Likes Received: 0
    "break on through to the other side"

    "when im strange, faces come outa the rain"
  15. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

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    dmt is awsome. iv messed around with it quite alot, i belive alot of people dont enjoy it though, do to the fact that you can have some intense experiences with it.