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Diamonds Are ForSuckers

Discussion in 'News' started by [email protected]#$%, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

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    Diamonds are an invented symbol. And people have allowed themselves to be suckered.

    http://www.motherjones.com/news/exhibit/2005/01/exhibit.html

    Founded in 1888 by Cecil Rhodes, De Beers has three operating principles: control supply, raise prices, and sell the romance of rarity

    1939 De Beers hires N.W. Ayer and Co. to make diamonds “a psychological necessity…the larger and finer the diamond, the greater the expression of love.” Within three years, 80% of engagements are consecrated with a diamond ring.

    1940 After a sociologist advises diamonds be presented as a symbol of a man’s ability to “get into the competitive race,” N.W. Ayer begins loaning gems to actresses, “who can make the grocer’s wife say, ‘I wish I had what she has.’”

    1945 Department of Justice charges De Beers with “conspiring to restrict production, monopolize sales and arbitrarily influence prices” by cornering 95% of world market. De Beers executives fail to show up in court, pull company out of U.S. market, opting to use middlemen.

    1947 “A Diamond Is Forever” slogan debuts. Jewelers instructed to tell men—who buy 90% of all diamonds—to spend at least two months’ salary on ring. The not-so-subtle message: Can you afford not to?

    1970s De Beers gains control of huge Soviet cache of small stones and begins emphasizing “color, cut, and clarity.”

    1981 Thanks to 14-year campaign to glamorize Western wedding customs, 60% of Japanese wives sport diamond rings; their husbands spend more on them than American counterparts.

    1994 DOJ again charges De Beers with price-fixing. Executives again skip court and can’t visit the U.S. for fear of arrest.

    1999 Advertising Age declares “A Diamond is Forever” the most effective slogan of 20th century, recognized by 90% of Americans.

    2000 “Three-stone anniversary ring” campaign is an instant success.


    2002 “Diamonds that make a statement”—i.e., they’re bigger— campaign aimed at affluent married couples. Uses slogans like: “Thank you, Bob… Thank you, Lord.”

    2003 De Beers markets “right-hand ring” to “stylish” and “independent” single women. Uses slogan, “Your left hand says ‘we,’ your right hand says ‘me.’”

    2004 De Beers pays $10 million antitrust penalty, clearing way to open stores in the U.S. It now controls 60% of world market.

    http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2004/12/12_407.html
    excerpt:
    Interview | Fighting Cultural Genocide
    The co-founder of a legal and humanitarian aid group details the plight of the Kalahari Bushmen.
    Rupert Isaacson
    Interviewed By Onnesha Roychoudhuri
    December 22, 2004

    ....And this is crucial: Don’t buy diamonds if you don’t know where they come from. I can’t stress this enough. It’s almost impossible to go into a jewelry shop and buy a diamond that doesn’t have blood on it. There’s an organization starting up next year called “Diamonds For Humanity” which is busy sorting specific conflict-free diamonds, which they'll have in shops in the Spring. There’s Gemesis, which is growing the gems in a laboratory in Sarasota, Florida. They're available now. These things really only change for economic reasons; if people said, “We love diamonds, but we really feel uncomfortable about buying them until we know that the Bushmen, and whoever else is affected by them -- Australian Aboriginals, Sierra Leoneans -- are getting a fair cut of the pie and are not being exploited. This is the bottom line: people have really suffered and died world-wide because of this and if that’s what you’re giving as a proof-mark of your love, what are you actually giving? What are you actually putting on this woman’s finger whom you want to spend the rest of your life with? Could be a pretty heavy burden to bear.
     
  2. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

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    we've talked about this before symbols.
    (not 12oz.. but you and I have talked about it)

    You know that the original 'wedding stone' was a ruby?
    Rubies go back to medieval times as a symbol of love,
    not as a symbol of blind bling.

    My buddy got married with a diamond that was in his family
    simce his great grandmother. I have no problems with that
    because it was from a much different place in time before
    the Hutu beheadings and the dutch diamond merchants.
    However... I'd NEVER buy a diamond for a girl now.

    If I wanted to marry some girl, and she insisted on a diamond,
    even though I could buy her a BIG ruby and we could travel around
    the world for 2 months on the same amount of money......
    I would know I had picked the wrong girl.
     
  3. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

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    yeah, just to put my money where my mouth is, i think diamonds are worthless (they can be manufactured now anyway) ..i guess, unless they are an heirloom.

    even then, i am not going for the whole engagement ring bit.
    while it might be cool to get a nice gift (of jewellry) to commemorate an engagement, i hardly think it's necessary to become yet another of the masses to show off a diamond engagement ring ... "ooh look, he cared enough to get me what everyone says he has to get me.."

    fuck that.
    and besides, what is is really a symbol of? exploitation and cultural racism.
    i'm not trying to wear something on my finger that doesn't know where it came from or who had to die to get it there.

    i like the ruby thing though, my mom never got an engagement ring until about ten years of marriage. a few years ago, the diamond fell out of the setting and she lost it. they got her a ruby ring as a replacement, i was quite pleased..
    werd up key, if someone gives me a diamond that would be a big flashing sign that he wasn't for me.
     
  4. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

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  5. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 24, 2004 Messages: 6,878 Likes Received: 2
    my friend is saving up to buy his fiancee a stone worth something like 15k.

    She doesn't even really want it, but they feel that it's the way that you do things that matters most.

    I say...... SUCKERS!!!

    for 15k please believe that me and some lucky lady are crossing
    the atlantic on the Queen Elizibeth II in a first class cabin then
    touring around for the next half a year. (living on the cheap while we do it!)
     
  6. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

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    i take it that by 'lucky lady' you mean beercan?

    haha, just kidding, key.
     
  7. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

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    the money people spend.
    very sad indeed, considering how many marriages fail.

    the cost of getting married just keeps on going up too.

    ..some more form that motherjones link above...

    For all but royalty, weddings were once modest affairs; now they are a $50 billion annual industry.

    The average American wedding costs $22,360 and has 168 guests, who give 100 gifts that cost an average of $85 each, meaning the net loss to the couple is $13,860.

    The average guest spends $500 to attend a wedding—not including plane tickets.

    Bush’s proposed “Healthy Marriage Initiative” would spend $1.5 billion to promote marriage among the poor.

    An increase of $1 per hour in a man’s wages increases the odds he will marry by 5%.

    43% of couples say they spent more on their wedding than they had planned.

    ....i mean WTF?!!?!?!

    twenty two thousand?!!
    it takes me almost 9 fucking months to earn that much money.
    you better believe, if someone is crazy enough to marry me, we will not be having any thousand dollar shindig. i'm talkin cocktail weenies at the courthouse baby, with a luxurious honeymoon in tahiti
    :haha:
     
  8. fatalist

    fatalist Dirty Dozen Crew

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    damn, i sell diamonds.
     
  9. ERIZENO

    ERIZENO Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 30, 2003 Messages: 1,999 Likes Received: 28
    I went to antique shops to get my girl her ring. i wish i had seen this first, i didnt realize it went back many years. i thought i was cool with getting an antique maybe, maybe not oh well it was only 1k.
    we wanted a wedding of about 15 people on the beach with us, the parents took a hold of it and now its 170 people and looking to be like 8-10k when all is said and done. it is our day but their show so not much we could say to that.
     
  10. MIZZaBcfly

    MIZZaBcfly Member

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    ..tell me how many Africans died for the bagettes on your rolex..
     
  11. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

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    The whole diamond as a symbol of love thing is rediculous. Not one woman in my family tree has ever received a diamond engagement ring, nor will they.

    Diamonds do have some worthwhile uses other than just sparkling.
    They include mechanical parts that must resist wear and sudden temperature changes. Also used in lab equipment (high rpm stuff) , cutting and the production of wire. Diamonds cut faster and more accurately than other tools. Metal can be sliced thinner than the human hair. That wire in your toaster...it was cut with diamonds.
     
  12. <KEY3>

    <KEY3> Veteran Member

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    can a diamond cut with better precision than a lazer?

    dr.evil wants to know.
     
  13. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

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  14. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

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    since newer diamonds are sometimes "laser inscribed" i would assume that the laser is at least as good, if not better, than a diamond cutter.
    i don't think they aren't inscribing a diamond with another diamond.


    Laser Drill Hole: A tiny tube made by a laser (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation - producing an intense monochromatic beam of coherent light ) to remove an inclusion, noticeable on treated diamonds. The surface opening may resemble a pit, while the tube usually looks needle like

    although, apparently there are diamond lasers..

    http://www.marinaplasticsurgery.com/laser_diamond.cfm

    “I wanted the best results from my cosmetic surgery, so I went to Dr. Grant Stevens & Dr. David Stoker who used a diamond!”

    Why diamonds give the best results.
    Diamonds are the hardest natural substance known, which makes for the perfect material for delicate surgical incisions. The Clinicon Diamond Laser ScalpelTM is honed to an edge over 40 times sharper than steel so little pressure is needed when operating on soft tissue – especially around the eyes, face and breasts. In addition the Clinicon Diamond Laser ScalpelTM is optically clear & transmits laser energy very effectively. When connected to a low power CO2 laser energy emitted from the diamond provides simultaneous cauterization that result in:

    * Less bruising
    * Faster healing
    * Decreased scarring

    ..christ almighty!!
    what next?!?!
    :nope:
     
  15. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

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    • Lasers cut by melting the material in the beam path.

    • A hole cut with a laser has an entry diameter larger than the exit diameter, creating a slightly tapered hole.

    • Burrs do exist when using a laser to cut although they are smaller.


    for these reasons...I'd probably have to say the diamond is better.

    I don't know if diamonds leave burrs or not, but with their tolerance to heat...I'd think probably not.
     
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