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Depression

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Decyferon, Sep 3, 2017.

  1. theprotester

    theprotester Moderator Crew

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    If you've been drinking like we were drinking a few years ago you will want to be very careful of withdrawls. I ended up in ed on an ethanol drip last time I went cold turkey.

    Power to you though mate, whatever works for you.

    You'll get on the other side of this. Depression is temporary if action is taken.
     
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  2. Decyferon

    Decyferon Moderator Crew

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    I drink a lot but not a physical dependence level. It's been 24 hours since I last had a drink
     
  3. theprotester

    theprotester Moderator Crew

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    Nice mate that's big hump to get over.

    Try not to isolate, get out amongst positive people.
     
  4. Hua Guofang

    Hua Guofang Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Try and avoid places and circumstances where you'd normally drink.
     
  5. Decyferon

    Decyferon Moderator Crew

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    That's kind of hard because I would literally drink everywhere.
    Walking the streets, everyone socialises in pubs or places where they drink.
    My hometown has a massive drinking issue I think. I don't think I've ever painted and not drank
     
  6. Decyferon

    Decyferon Moderator Crew

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    Work is basically the only place I wouldn't drink and even then I'd buy a can for the walk home.
    But I've still not had a drink
     
  7. Decyferon

    Decyferon Moderator Crew

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    Pro - yea I was drinking the same way. Last few weeks at least half or whole bottle of rum a night but I'm not feeling any shakes or withdraw
     
  8. Decyferon

    Decyferon Moderator Crew

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    Probably helps I don't have a penny to my name and don't get paid for 2 weeks
     
  9. theprotester

    theprotester Moderator Crew

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    Yeah I know the drill, people would say avoid things that trigger you - when life is what triggered me to drink it wasn't really an option to avoid it.

    Pay day will possibly pose a new challenge it's always good to meet up with positive people for me when I get money flowing in - depression lives strongest when I isolate.

    Glad to hear you're not suffering physically that's a blessing, just be aware it might still come over the next while.
     
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  10. Dirty_habiT

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    I'm not sure that avoiding places that you would drink is a good attack for the problem. This would contend that you're weak to triggers when the whole goal of not drinking is to be stronger than the triggers that make you drink. When I quite smoking cigarettes cold turkey I didn't have my morning cigarette. This was many years ago, then that afternoon after work my friends wanted to go to the bar and I knew this was the perfect test of my will power. I went to the bar with them and listened to them taunt me about smoking a cigarette after they knew I had a couple drinks. This only made it even easier to say no. More or less I stuck my dick right into the bee nest on purpose and it turned out to help me.

    If you avoid situations where you drink, chance will have it that you will end up in one that you did not plan for and that's not a good time to be weak. Strength doesn't magically happen over time and it must be learned. I say practice doing things that you would have done while drinking, but don't drink. The bar is obviously not a good example because, I can tell you after being sober for a while now, that talking to drunk people is entertaining for about 5 minutes or less... and there's nothing else to do at a bar.
     
  11. Dirty_habiT

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    This is a subject that is covered in treatment programs. Some addicts cannot handle "success". They stay clean while they don't have the means to get fucked up but as soon as everything is going well and they have a couple extra dollars or some free time they fall right back into the hole. The real challenge will come when you can afford to buy alcohol again and make the choice not to do it.

    In response to the comments about the town having a drinking problem, I live in Austin, TX. I am pretty sure most peoples' "hobby" in this town is getting fucked up. It's a huge slow moving orgy here with a bunch of people lacking inhibitions. To some this might sound like some awesome rock concert where drugs are free and hookers are giving out hj's to everyone.... but when you're not a part of the scene and you can take a step back from it, it really seems like many people have no substance and nothing to do with their free time that's worth a shit.

    What's funny is that since I'm never anywhere that drinking is the main subject... the only place i see a lot of drinking now is AT work. We have whiskey by the coffee maker at work, various canned beers in the fridge, and numerous people have bottles on their desks. This brings me to my response about "never painting without drinking." The one time I got in deep doo doo painting was when I was fucked up. I don't think I would have been able to get away even if I were sober, but I can tell you that your mind doesn't think nearly as fast or clearly when you're using a substance.... any substance. Have you ever heard a friend that would say "i drive better when I'm stoned." Yeah, that's a moronic thing to say. The only thing anyone does better stoned or drunk is have a limp dick and eat cheetos. The sober you is the better you. I'm not intending to preach or say that anyone is wrong for their choices... everyone does what works for them. When you realize that something is causing you a problem in life, then it's probably not for you and best to avoid.
     
  12. Decyferon

    Decyferon Moderator Crew

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    Yea with painting I don't really paint illegally I'm almost 40 and don't need the hassle. I got busted a few years ago very drunk in a different town and I just held my hands up got arrested as I knew friends were round the corner and gave them a chance to get away.

    I went to a friends house last night. I did drink but only had 2 and was by no means drunk in the slightest I just nursed a drink and was really proud of myself but then walking home I bought a half bottle of whiskey then did the same today (fuck knows why I'm being so honest on here but no one else is about really)

    Back to starting over tomorrow. But I will say other than the drink I'm very happy with how I'm dealing with everything else in life
     
  13. Dirty_habiT

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    It takes time. You'll get tired of realizing that you're weak to these things and stop doing it. Everytime you go back and feel guilty about it, it's another step to not doing it anymore. With most substances it only takes a little bit. If you look at the story you told, you started w/ two beers, but it triggered a 2 day long relapse with hard liquor. Two beers with some friends seems harmless.... a bottle of whiskey in two days seems like a problem.
     
  14. Hua Guofang

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    Good to hear that you're on the up, mate.

    I've never dealt with depression nor alcoholism so I really don't have any realistic advice to give, sorry mate. I did kick smokes after 20+ years of the filthy fuckers. I smoked at work and worked from home so I couldn't avoid the triggers either. I went cold turkey as that's the approach that suits me best, although it's not for others. My mantra was that I wasn't quitting smoking, but that I was not allowed to put anything in my mouth to smoke. That got me through each day until the cravings left, which took months. 6 years later I'm still coughing shit up. Hope that vignette might help in some way or at least offer some support for ya.

    @D_Habs - regards avoiding situations that can trigger, everyone is different, man. some people prefer to get past the physical cravings before they test themselves. That is not any indication on strength of character or any shit like that. There is one goal and nothing else matters. Whatever is the best strategy to achieve that aim is the best one for that person. For some getting early wins like challenging your intestinal fortitude makes every following challenge easier. Some others prefer to work incrementally by taking one challenge at at time - first the physical and then the psychological. Horses for courses and all that. As long as the aim remains to get where you need to be.
     
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  15. theprotester

    theprotester Moderator Crew

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    There are no common rules for this shit, sent you a message.
     
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