DARK GALAXY FOUND, MAYBE,

i posted this in crossfire but exactly 3 people responded. This is worthy of about 100 more posts than that

Strong evidence for a massive galaxy totally devoid of stars has been found in the Virgo cluster, about 50 million light years away from Earth. If the existence of this "dark galaxy" is confirmed, it will vindicate the favoured theory of how galaxies form - and will present fresh puzzles to solve.

The new galaxy, which consists of a gigantic cloud of hydrogen gas and exotic dark matter, contains enough material to give birth to tens of millions of stars. Yet something is preventing this from happening. Such dark galaxies have been predicted, and could outnumber normal galaxies by as much as a hundred to one, but this is the first time anyone has confidently claimed to have seen one.

The discovery should come as a relief to astrophysicists developing theories of how galaxies form. "If there are no dark galaxies in the universe, then we must be missing an important piece of physics," says Michael Merrifield at the University of Nottingham, UK.

For decades computer simulations have consistently predicted far more small galaxies than have been observed. For example, in our local group of galaxies there should be hundreds of dwarf galaxies, along with the gigantic Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies. Yet only 35 dwarf galaxies have been observed.

One possibility is that these dwarfs exist as dark galaxies - starless clouds of hydrogen and dark matter. "The search for dark galaxies is crucial because there is a major disagreement between the theory of galaxy formation and observation," says Riccardo Giovanelli at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, US.

Cosmic stone's throw

The theorists took heart in 2005 with the announcement that the dwarf galaxy I Zwicky 18, situated just a cosmic stone's throw from the Milky Way in a region where other galaxies are billions of years older, contained no stars older than 500,000 years (New Scientist print edition, 11 December 2004). Either the galaxy formed recently, or it has been hanging around as a dark galaxy for as long as 13 billion years.

Apart from such tantalising but inconclusive findings, no evidence has turned up until now. The most recent failure was 2004's HIPASS survey, which used the 64-metre Parkes radio telescope in New South Wales, Australia.

By definition, dark galaxies cannot be seen by optical telescopes. The only signs are radio waves with wavelengths of about 21 centimetres emitted by the hydrogen atoms that make up most of the gas in galaxies. Giovanelli says that HIPASS failed to find any dark galaxies because it was not sensitive enough.

In the latest survey, an international team led by Robert Minchin at Cardiff University, UK, used the sensitive 76-metre Lovell radio telescope at the University of Manchester's Jodrell Bank Observatory, UK, to look for dark galaxies in the nearby Virgo cluster. There they found VIRGOHI21, a rotating cloud containing enough hydrogen gas to spawn 100 million stars like the sun and fill a small galaxy.

All previous possible dark galaxies have turned out to be duds: observations made using high-powered optical telescopes showed they contained stars after all. But when Minchin and his team used the 2.5-metre Isaac Newton optical telescope on the island of La Palma, Spain, they found no stars. "This is the first object we can be confident is a dark galaxy," Minchin says.

Speed of rotation

But far from answering all the questions, VIRGOHI21 is throwing up a number of new ones. One concerns its mass. While the newly discovered galaxy is certainly dark, it may not be the dwarf that astrophysicists were hoping for.

If galaxies were made up only of ordinary matter, their speed of rotation would tear them apart. The extra mass needed to provide the gravitational pull that holds them together is generally thought to come from what is called dark matter.

When Minchin's team measured the speed of rotation of the hydrogen gas in VIRGOHI21, they found that it would have to contain about one-tenth of the dark matter of the Milky Way. But if that is so, it should also have a hundred times as much hydrogen gas as they actually detected. Far from being a dwarf, VIRGOHI21 seems to be a giant in its own right.

Merrifield says that the shortfall in the observed amount of hydrogen may mean that what Minchin and his team have seen is not a dark galaxy after all. "Their story doesn't quite hang together, and I would speculate that they have been fooled by two passing hydrogen clouds." The difference in speed as one passes the other would give the illusion of rotation, he says.

But Minchin is sticking to his guns. "There are so few known hydrogen clouds that to find two together would be extremely unlikely." He thinks they may have underestimated the mass of hydrogen in the dark galaxy. If ultraviolet light from distant quasars were ionising a large proportion of the hydrogen atoms, the gas would be rendered invisible to radio telescopes.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7056

all science is a lie that will be tried to be proven into a different lie 2 years after....lies into more lies, science will never be a fact

ok.. is anything fact then? no. so stfu and read.

i saw this article last week.

Originally posted by The Leader@Feb 28 2005, 01:10 AM

ok.. is anything fact then? no. so stfu and read.

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i read you mother fucking mexican eating hamburger chomping 12oz addict crack whore child hindu looking doofy bitch

:king:

This article is tight. And to the guy that doesn't "believe" in Science...haha alright...

keep hating...i love it

Did you just say I eat mexicans? Cool.

There was something the other week about a black hole that formed near two star systems, one was completely sucked in and the other was slingshot'd out of it's galaxy and some unfathomably fast speed. Space is wild, man.

How the fuck can you not believe in science???

so ill. i love knowing that every star in the sky could have a solar system around it like ours. i wanna see aliens so bad. wish i was military material so i could be an astronaut

shit like this blows my mind. the concept of a light year is enough to make me cry.

Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle@Feb 28 2005, 02:26 AM

How the fuck can you not believe in docking???

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Man, you're gross Dazzle.

Originally posted by why write?@Feb 28 2005, 02:06 AM

all science is a lie that will be tried to be proven into a different lie 2 years after....lies into more lies, science will never be a fact

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i'm speechless. you have got to be joking.

*edit: and to stay on topic, I read about this couple days ago. Good thread.

why write, are you a theology major?

loco, ese.

Originally posted by why write?@Feb 28 2005, 06:06 AM

all science is a lie that will be tried to be proven into a different lie 2 years after....lies into more lies, science will never be a fact

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Duh, we all know that JESUS is the only true fact.

if a balding lumberjack farts in the woods and there's noone around to hear it...does it smell?

"We were *so* toally born in the dark galaxy."