remorseles Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 So he's out there making money off his work and I am not... Here is the latest that i pulled out of transword skate today. [/img] I have been seeing alot of his work over the past year. He has managed to achive some good sucess but i am not sure what to make of it though. He went from graff artist to now he's got his work with various companies. Is it a good thing or a bad thing. I think i just maybe jealous or some shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 wait, dalek wrote graffiti? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Feets Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Yeah, you're jealous. edit* I don't know the man behind the space monkeys but has Dalek ever claimed to be an actual writer? I can see how the masses hate dude for making money off, I don't know, a culture where most people risk their lives (well, financially anyway-> fines, jail time, etc.) for recognition. And it would be an ideal world if people actually put in some heavy duty work before claiming "ultra-keep's it real" status. But has Dalek ever claimed that position? If he did, then that's a bit fucked up. Oh well. Nevertheless, dude makes money. I guess Dalek is like the opposite of Neckface. Plus, there's a lot of people who use graffiti as uh, what's the word that people are abusing, oh, "inspiration". There's worse out there. I had a Dalek shirt 4 years ago. -J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Feets Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Plus, not to mention Dalek is old news. Discussion since the 2002's khed. You missed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chobbie Chob Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 discussed since 2002 or not, i still find his 'work' dead-fucking-boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeofatlantis Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 DALEK MAY CLAIM TO HAVE SOME GRAFFITI ASPECT BUT THINK OF ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOT RICH OFF OF ONE CHARACTER WHETHER OR NOT IT HAD SHIT TO DO WITH GRAFFITI HE SHOULD TEAM UP WITH THAT DUDE THAT MAKES THOSE MONKEY SHIRTS THAT SIXTH GRADE GIRLS WEAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HECZONER Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 i could never hate on someone for making money. As a real estate mogul I wouldn't hate on D Trump for using his knowledge about real estate to make money and call him a sell out. Inventors Dont hate on Mr. A Bell for the Telephone. It's all about a PRODUCT. If you could invent a Device that everyone in the world wanted to buy from you would you sell it? Well, DALEK invented a space monkey that some people want to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
why write? Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 dalek isnt a graffiti writer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remorseles Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Originally posted by HECZONER@Mar 21 2006, 02:19 PM i could never hate on someone for making money. As a real estate mogul I wouldn't hate on D Trump for using his knowledge about real estate to make money and call him a sell out. Inventors Dont hate on Mr. A Bell for the Telephone. It's all about a PRODUCT. If you could invent a Device that everyone in the world wanted to buy from you would you sell it? Well, DALEK invented a space monkey that some people want to buy. Quoted post I agree with you and every one else its just my preconcieved notion was that he had origins going back to graff i didnt mean to call him a writer thats just how i catagroized him as an artist. i am not hating on him its just after having had a skateboard since i was 5 and now being 23 and then flipping through a magazine and seeing his work and then seeing the shoe he has kind of made me wonder what the fuck i have alot of work that should be out there but its not and made me jealous thats why i posted it like that. merely venting thats all i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skirmfirm Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Originally posted by princeofatlantis@Mar 20 2006, 10:03 AM DALEK MAY CLAIM TO HAVE SOME GRAFFITI ASPECT BUT THINK OF ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOT RICH OFF OF ONE CHARACTER WHETHER OR NOT IT HAD SHIT TO DO WITH GRAFFITI HE SHOULD TEAM UP WITH THAT DUDE THAT MAKES THOSE MONKEY SHIRTS THAT SIXTH GRADE GIRLS WEAR Quoted post lets watch him go crayzee frog stylee on our asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumy Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 i've definitely seen him do letters..and seen many of his pieces in person and in mags like scribble. Does no one else remember this? It was just the 90's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remorseles Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think alot of people concentrate more on the now instead of then. Were all so caught up in whats out on the markets now that we dont stop to remince on where individuals have come from. For example you see articles about DALEK and you see the here and now. I have an article on him and it mentions little to do with his past and more of where hes going and what hes doing. thats just waht i think. i know i have done that with a few artists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touch It Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by dumy@Mar 22 2006, 07:26 PM i've definitely seen him do letters..and seen many of his pieces in person and in mags like scribble. Does no one else remember this? It was just the 90's Quoted post I love the 90's skate'n , snowboarding, and graffiti! No real job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perhap Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Originally posted by dumy@Mar 22 2006, 02:26 PM i've definitely seen him do letters..and seen many of his pieces in person and in mags like scribble. Does no one else remember this? It was just the 90's Quoted post yea, i liked scribble mag. i remember something of his in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtorder Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Originally posted by Mr. ABC@Mar 20 2006, 02:55 AM wait, dalek wrote graffiti? Quoted post Exactly.....a good 80% of the people making money off of graffiti these days never put in the work to make it OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manifesto Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 yeah yeah, that character is played, but think of it. your average demographic for a skateboarder is between the age of 13-16 and male. seeing those colors, that kind of cartoon, and the "history" of the creator as a graffiti artist, makes daleks shit highly marketable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remorseles Posted March 24, 2006 Author Share Posted March 24, 2006 I dont know wher you come from by saying the average age for skatebaording is 13 -16 you got that all wrong, the average age range is any where fromlike 5 20's and i say that because of where i live there are at least 4 parks in the area and all of which have kids from 5-20 on a daily basis. now adys kids start skating younger. I do agree with you though about the marketable shit for a younger generation. but if you take a real good look at the market he is hitting you got skate shops that feature graff stuff like mags paint caps markers all of that stuff in a skate shop and then you get artists like dalek that have shoes and trucks its catering to the writers and the people that skate. two makrets at once. Here isan interview that clears up Dalek and graffiti... My Webpage AVC: How old were you when you moved there? D: I was 24 or 25. I graduated high school in Japan in 1986, and we moved to Hawaii. Needless to say, when I lived in Hawaii I didn’t do much of anything except go to the beach every day. I worked in a shop and just sort of hung out for a couple of years. As far as graffiti is concerned, I got started doing graffiti pretty late in the game. Most kids started when they were 15 or 16, if not younger. I hadn’t really been exposed to it before, and when I was, it instantly appealed to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny ballbags Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by HECZONER@Mar 21 2006, 02:19 PM i could never hate on someone for making money. As a real estate mogul I wouldn't hate on D Trump for using his knowledge about real estate to make money and call him a sell out. Inventors Dont hate on Mr. A Bell for the Telephone. It's all about a PRODUCT. If you could invent a Device that everyone in the world wanted to buy from you would you sell it? Well, DALEK invented a space monkey that some people want to buy. Quoted post well put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 i sold some paint to dalek once. i should have traded it for a canvas. i could have retired already. as long as i have kaws to hate on, i don't need to be mad at anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Rage- Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Originally posted by seeking@Mar 28 2006, 01:58 AM as long as i have kaws to hate on, i don't need to be mad at anyone else. Quoted post Haaaaaahaha. Bless you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALIgula Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 i had a dalek t-shirt....but i got it for free at some graffiti event.....so its all good....i see hella people rockin dalek/giant clothes now-a-days...and when i ask em about it...they don't know anything about anything.....example: me: "thats a dope dalek shirt" them: "huh?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 who gives a shit? dalek isn't even connected with graffiti. as for as the world is concerned, he's a guy who makes space monkeys. people like space monkeys. it's not effecting us in anyway. he's not using graff as a foot hold, he's not pimping graff, he's not even really presented as a 'street artist'. the only people who bring it up are jealous writers, mad cause he's making some money off a corny ass played out image. wahh. hate kaws, he's way more of a sell out than dalek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunm Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Originally posted by seeking@Mar 28 2006, 05:58 AM as long as i have kaws to hate on, i don't need to be mad at anyone else. Quoted post Seeking......you crack me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manifesto Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by remorseles@Mar 24 2006, 12:37 PM I dont know wher you come from by saying the average age for skatebaording is 13 -16 you got that all wrong, the average age range is any where fromlike 5 20's and i say that because of where i live there are at least 4 parks in the area and all of which have kids from 5-20 on a daily basis. now adys kids start skating younger. I do agree with you though about the marketable shit for a younger generation. but if you take a real good look at the market he is hitting you got skate shops that feature graff stuff like mags paint caps markers all of that stuff in a skate shop and then you get artists like dalek that have shoes and trucks its catering to the writers and the people that skate. two makrets at once. Here isan interview that clears up Dalek and graffiti... My Webpage AVC: How old were you when you moved there? D: I was 24 or 25. I graduated high school in Japan in 1986, and we moved to Hawaii. Needless to say, when I lived in Hawaii I didn’t do much of anything except go to the beach every day. I worked in a shop and just sort of hung out for a couple of years. As far as graffiti is concerned, I got started doing graffiti pretty late in the game. Most kids started when they were 15 or 16, if not younger. I hadn’t really been exposed to it before, and when I was, it instantly appealed to me. Quoted post sure, skaters range from the age of 5 to 40, but the core demographic of a skateboarder is 13-16. thats why all the skate mags cater to that age group. which is also why, you dont see car ads in skate mags, and other mature non-endemic ads. but you see those type of ads in surf mags and snowboard mags, where their demographic is towards the late teens into the twenties and even older. for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine, but both of those have folded. the older skater does not keep the industry going. it's the kids and their parents who put money into this industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Manifesto@Apr 2 2006, 05:16 AM for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine, but both of those have folded. Quoted post thankfully dave carnie and clyde singleton are working at the skateboard mag. those two made big brother worth reading. it's a shame clyde's not as flat out racist as he was in bb though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remorseles Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 Originally posted by Manifesto+Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Manifesto - Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-remorseles@Mar 24 2006, 12:37 PM I dont know wher you come from by saying the average age for skatebaording is 13 -16 you got that all wrong, the average age range is any where fromlike 5 20's and i say that because of where i live there are at least 4 parks in the area and all of which have kids from 5-20 on a daily basis. now adys kids start skating younger. I do agree with you though about the marketable shit for a younger generation. but if you take a real good look at the market he is hitting you got skate shops that feature graff stuff like mags paint caps markers all of that stuff in a skate shop and then you get artists like dalek that have shoes and trucks its catering to the writers and the people that skate. two makrets at once. Here isan interview that clears up Dalek and graffiti... My Webpage AVC: How old were you when you moved there? D: I was 24 or 25. I graduated high school in Japan in 1986, and we moved to Hawaii. Needless to say, when I lived in Hawaii I didn’t do much of anything except go to the beach every day. I worked in a shop and just sort of hung out for a couple of years. As far as graffiti is concerned, I got started doing graffiti pretty late in the game. Most kids started when they were 15 or 16, if not younger. I hadn’t really been exposed to it before, and when I was, it instantly appealed to me. Quoted post sure, skaters range from the age of 5 to 40, but the core demographic of a skateboarder is 13-16. thats why all the skate mags cater to that age group. which is also why, you dont see car ads in skate mags, and other mature non-endemic ads. but you see those type of ads in surf mags and snowboard mags, where their demographic is towards the late teens into the twenties and even older. for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine, but both of those have folded. the older skater does not keep the industry going. it's the kids and their parents who put money into this industry. Quoted post [/b] Theres no point in trying to prove anything to you? you think your so right in the things you say anyways. kids and parents are NOT puting moneyinto an industry with graffiti. do you see parents ordering caps and markers for thier kids to go out and get up? no you dont. before you start talking about things you should make sure you know enough about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manifesto Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Originally posted by remorseles+Apr 1 2006, 06:27 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (remorseles - Apr 1 2006, 06:27 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Manifesto@Apr 1 2006, 02:16 PM <!--QuoteBegin-remorseles@Mar 24 2006, 12:37 PM I dont know wher you come from by saying the average age for skatebaording is 13 -16 you got that all wrong, the average age range is any where fromlike 5 20's and i say that because of where i live there are at least 4 parks in the area and all of which have kids from 5-20 on a daily basis. now adys kids start skating younger. I do agree with you though about the marketable shit for a younger generation. but if you take a real good look at the market he is hitting you got skate shops that feature graff stuff like mags paint caps markers all of that stuff in a skate shop and then you get artists like dalek that have shoes and trucks its catering to the writers and the people that skate. two makrets at once. Here isan interview that clears up Dalek and graffiti... My Webpage AVC: How old were you when you moved there? D: I was 24 or 25. I graduated high school in Japan in 1986, and we moved to Hawaii. Needless to say, when I lived in Hawaii I didn’t do much of anything except go to the beach every day. I worked in a shop and just sort of hung out for a couple of years. As far as graffiti is concerned, I got started doing graffiti pretty late in the game. Most kids started when they were 15 or 16, if not younger. I hadn’t really been exposed to it before, and when I was, it instantly appealed to me. Quoted post sure, skaters range from the age of 5 to 40, but the core demographic of a skateboarder is 13-16. thats why all the skate mags cater to that age group. which is also why, you dont see car ads in skate mags, and other mature non-endemic ads. but you see those type of ads in surf mags and snowboard mags, where their demographic is towards the late teens into the twenties and even older. for example, big brother and strength was a mature audience magazine, but both of those have folded. the older skater does not keep the industry going. it's the kids and their parents who put money into this industry. Quoted post Theres no point in trying to prove anything to you? you think your so right in the things you say anyways. kids and parents are NOT puting moneyinto an industry with graffiti. do you see parents ordering caps and markers for thier kids to go out and get up? no you dont. before you start talking about things you should make sure you know enough about it. Quoted post [/b] im not trying to argue with you, but its just what i know about the skate industry, is where i was making my point on who the target audience is. but for opinions sake... from your original reply about hitting both markets. do you think graffiti writers really want to buy this shit? its like buying a tribal shirt, or wearing shirts with graffiti on it. just tacky. and you're right, parents arent putting money into the graff industry, which is the reason dalek is making this shit for skateboarding, because there is money in that industry. thats why it aint graff for the skate comunity, cause its a neon space monkey, so parents will buy thatshit. and people that know who he is, dont care. it's been around the block a few times, i dont even know what we were dicussing about. my post was just mainly stating, his shit got bland, but the skate market took it up, [and my original post being, that the skate market is between the age of 13-16], all cause its a lovable chracter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 i dont know why you guys are arguing with eachother, when kaws is the one to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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