dojafx Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 A jogger passes a billboard with scenes from Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-run Iraqi prison Abu Ghraib, set up on Havana's seafront boulevard Malecon across from the U.S. Interest Section, December 17, 2004. The United States had rejected Cuba's demand to remove Christmas lights in front of the American mission, which include the number 75, in reference to 75 pro-democracy activists imprisoned in Cuba. Full Story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 US to CUBA: stop fucking locking up dissidents and continuing to depress democratic and commercial reforms, also fidel please fucking die and when you do make sure the billion something dollars you have in assets go back into the hands of people you took it from, you are nothing but a fucking corrupted dictator who took ideals and and power and set your country onto a third world path while you rolled in the fucking mud like a pig... thanks, uncle sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 ""There couldn't be a better contrast: the U.S. wishing Cubans happy holidays, Frosty waving at passers-by and an effort to prompt discussion on human rights on the one side, and screaming Cuban government billboards on the other," he said" is that guy fucking serious?! fuck, i love shit like this. no bullshit, no assemblies, no ass kissing, no fake smiles, just a 'FUCK YOU'. if everyone handled their shit like this, there wouldnt be half as many problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 clearly the US is equal to the Nazi regime.... hooray for all the dumb asses out in the world!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dojafx Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by mental invalid@Dec 17 2004, 09:10 PM US to CUBA: stop fucking locking up dissidents and continuing to depress democratic and commercial reforms, also fidel please fucking die and when you do make sure the billion something dollars you have in assets go back into the hands of people you took it from, you are nothing but a fucking corrupted dictator who took ideals and and power and set your country onto a third world path while you rolled in the fucking mud like a pig... thanks, uncle sam Quoted post Right! Lets make sure all those exiles get their money back, even the ones that promoted slave trade, and the economic exploitation of the general populace lets go back to like it was before fidel! with the mafia running the casino industry and the only available employment for women being prostitution! wooo! :yuck: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mental invalid Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 hey dipshit, who said anything about it being a grand ole time before fidel? and who said anything about going back to those times? i certainly didnt, no matter how you want to force feed those words... what do you come from the sean hannity school of debates... all im saying to fidel is pipe the fuck down, the man is a dictator and deserves no public platform to dicuss anything.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 mental, you seriously trust forbes magazine as a source to how much money fidel 'stole from the people'?...its a bit absurd. On a related note, its funny how all us westerners like to talk about how much money fidel stole and how much money arafat had..and just how secretely corrupted all these dicators are when our own leaders reconstruct entire countries we invaded/bought using companies they practically own and we concider that common ground and pretty dull as an observation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYU Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 fidel stole money from his own people? dont recall that.. i remember him repossesing a shit load of US owned cuban land in the revolution. when did he steal money from the people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by mental invalid@Dec 17 2004, 04:10 PM US to CUBA: stop fucking locking up dissidents and continuing to depress democratic and commercial reforms, also fidel please fucking die and when you do make sure the billion something dollars you have in assets go back into the hands of people you took it from, you are nothing but a fucking corrupted dictator who took ideals and and power and set your country onto a third world path while you rolled in the fucking mud like a pig... thanks, uncle sam Quoted post The US fucking locks up dissidents too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 ^that's a bit of a comparative stretch.. in the US dissidents are marginalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallix Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by BROWNer@Dec 18 2004, 05:24 PM ^that's a bit of a comparative stretch.. in the US dissidents are marginalized. Quoted post i disagree. theres plenty of evidence for my disagreement. but i dont feel like posting it. google.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Well the US will do anything from Marginalize to disappear/kill people. For instance the Octopus conspiracy: http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id901/pg2/ http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1553/pg2/ And of course the infamous cointelpro. And our friends leonard peltier and mumia abu jamal.... In fact here is a list of some: http://www.prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/pplist-alpha.shtml And there's a ton more examples. It really depends on your situation. And if it's not solved by the law it's solved on the streets. Whether they know it or not many gang members and extremists are tools of higher political ideologies and their more established adherents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Originally posted by BROWNer@Dec 18 2004, 05:24 PM ^that's a bit of a comparative stretch.. in the US dissidents are marginalized. Quoted post People in New York were held at a pier full of old toxic chemicals after being arrested for protesting the rnc in nyc. Maybe this isn't as bad as in Cuba, but from first hand experience, I know that the way the US treats it's dissidents, it's only getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 sorry, the operative phrase there is comparative stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I gotcha BROWNster.... It's pretty bad here. But definately less publicized. We have the Attorney Generals List... which is like a watchlist. I'm sure with Bush and office and the passing of the patriot act there are many more political activists on that list. Maybe even me! :scowl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ODS-1 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Some activists can even utilize air travel anymore, because the government has shoved them in with a group of radical religious extremists who actually want to cause harm, when all these activists are doing is say that maybe there's a better way to do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Some activists can't even utilize air travel anymore, because the government has shoved them in with a group of radical religious extremists who actually want to cause harm, when all these activists are doing is say that maybe there's a better way to do things. I personally heard of someone who flew somewhere, and then when they tried to get back they couldn't because their name was on a list. They were stuck. Edit*Sorry, I don't know why it posted 3 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 I've heard about this kind of thing happening. Yeah the patriot act actually included ACTIVISTS as TERRORISTS... I don't know if this is still the case but it has always been extrodinarily retarted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BROWNer Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 somebody school me on mumia. i mean, holy shit, if ed asner is all up on that shit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 http://www.mumia.org/freedom.now/ I dunno alot about it honestly.... but I guess he was a black panther, and someone killed a cop, cops didn't know who to blame so they picked black panther guy here, even though he is innocent. One of those stories... something like that. I always figured that it was getting enough attention in the underground so I diverted my attention toward more overlooked subjects. Not that I don't care about him... I mean, what can I do really? Protest for him yeah sure. Raise peoples awareness okay. I just copped a cd the other day "No More Prisons 2" .... dope shit... this is their website: http://www.nomoreprisons.com Whoops that link is dead now.... :( and http://www.raptivism.com This is good... Proceeds go to the Prison Moratorium Project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS-1 Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Are you sure he was a panther? Anyway, the way the U.S. treats it's citizens who think differently is fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 we're all fucked. happy holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 mumia was a panther as well as an award winning journalist. while he was moonlighting as a cab driver, a cop got killed, he was in the vicinity and was charged, despite the only eye witnesses being prostitutes and addicts that were clearly coached through their confessions and later recinded them. the ballistics evidence did not match up at all (mumia admitted to owning a handgun, but it was not the same calibre). almost all the evidence i've ever heard of is either completely circumstantial, completely bullshit (outragous claims of mumia admitting his guilt to a cop who later 'dissapeared' right before the trial so he could not be cros examined) etc, etc. he was barred from defending himself, even though it's his constitutional right. he was then barred from having the council of his chosing (a member of philadelphias MOVE organization, a panther-esq group that was immortalized when the philly police dropped a bomb (literally) from a helicopter onto a house they were staying in, killing 11 people, mostly women and children, and burning down several blocks of houses). he was then given a public defender who was barred after his case for legal incompetence. when he was even allowed to be in the court room , he was often chained to his chair and gagged during the (all of which, including not allowing the defendant to be in teh courtroom, are illegal). i used to be real into this whole thing back in the early 90's. the panthers in specific, by mumia by association. truthfully, i dont know for certain that he is innocent (although i lean that way), but i do know that the court case was a complete fucking sham and if anyone has ever deserved a retrial, it's mumia. if you read through the details, it's honestly insane the shit that surrounds this case and the civil liberties he was stripped of. last i heard, he had been taken off death row and has been given a life sentence in it's place. dozens of countries have called for a retrial, including much of the EU. tom ridge, our sec of homeland defense was the gov. of pennsylvania, underwhich all of this happened. thats all i have to say about that. ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 oh, and if fidel has stolen billions of dollars from his people, i'd like to see some proof of this. dude might be a 'dictator', but he does not at all strike me as the thieving sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!@#$% Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 ^ yeah, i'm thinking that all the sanctions imposed on cuba by the u.s. don't exactly help with the money making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Ahh... seeking is very informed on mumia... thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 re: fidel, last i heard, the standard of living in cuba was pretty decent. their health care system rivals ours (and is free for everyone). they have very low illiteracy rate, unemployment etc. i could be confusing them with another country, but as far as 'basic needs' are concerned, there are a hell of a lot of countries with less going for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 You're not confusing them with another country...its just too damn hard for people to actually believe all that..i always liked fidel and i still do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 i just like the fact that from what i can see, dude really does seem to be all about 'cuba', and preserving his countries identity and culture. it might border on totalitarian at times, and im sure there are certain acts i wouldnt agree with, but dude is one man trying to battle teh rest of the western world, shit is not easy. sometimes the bunker you have to build to keep others out, unfortunately keeps you boxed in. which is worse? again, i dont know much about life in cuba, but i do know that life in america isn't really that great. sure we have a lot of 'comforts', but we also have a level of alienation (as a result of these comforts) that is second to none. maybe it's just me being homo, but i'd trade in my laptop, my emails and my instant messages for friends that i could ride a bike down the block to hang out with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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