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CSX and Slaves

Discussion in 'Metal Heads' started by Ident, Dec 4, 2003.

  1. Ident

    Ident Member

    Joined: Apr 21, 2003 Messages: 611 Likes Received: 0
    Yesterday on TV I heard that CSX, a very long time ago (it wasn't even called CSX back then), used black slavery to build their railroad system.
    What do ya'll think about that
     
  2. Vanity

    Vanity Veteran Member

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 7,673 Likes Received: 6
    i don't see why you'd be surprised... but i think they actually gave up a few hundred mill in restitution... i might be thinking of some insurance company though
     
  3. Ski Mask

    Ski Mask 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: Apr 11, 2000 Messages: 11,114 Likes Received: 209
    Shit, the CPR killed 100s of chinese laborers in the course of spanning the rockies. All the railroads back around that time required massive amounts of cheap labour, do the math. No idea what kind of restitution was payed, but I think the largest railroads have payed at some point or another.
     
  4. Bosco

    Bosco Member

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    Slavery? I dunno about that, it could be possible though, but your talking a very very long time ago. More than likely it was cheap black labor in the south, trackwork was seen as a menial task. Like Ese was saying about the Chinese labor, but these workers weren't working against their will, they chose to, it was money to support their families and what not. Alot of the early railroad workers laying tracks were immigrants during that time...
     
  5. hottnickels

    hottnickels Junior Member

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    i say, another excuse to write on their property :eek:
     
  6. Ident

    Ident Member

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  7. Boring Bastard

    Boring Bastard Elite Member

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    Numerous immigrants got fucked by the railroads! The railroad companies are incredibly powerful companies. They made a profit and ran a business the same way numerous others have done in the same manner. It is fucked up, in some ways, what they did, but they did it years ago. You wouldn't even know them today the same way if they didn't do what they did. I don't approve but I can't argue with having boxcars to paint.
     
  8. angelofdeath

    angelofdeath Elite Member

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    i dont really care if any railroad was built using slave labor. im sure ALOt of shit in this country was done with such. its fucking bullshit for these companies to have to pay restitution for the doings of generations before. im sure it would be totally cool in peoples eyes if they were built on labor from inmates/chain gangs.
    just like that fat drugged up dude that died when the police were restraining him.
     
  9. krowteN

    krowteN Member

    Joined: Jan 26, 2002 Messages: 480 Likes Received: 0
    totally!

    its funny someone brought this up, especially since i did my senior thesis on a very similar topic.

    In the days railroads were being organized (early 19th century) rr officials often traveled from town to small town in the south to solicit funds and supplies from plantation owners. In return they were given stocks in that railroad and promises that the railroad would make their business much more profitable because their goods could be transported with much greater efficiency. Many plantation owners, already devilishly greedy, offered slave labor in lieu of funds or supplies, because slave labor was free and didn’t cost anything to lend out. On top of that the rr would still give the plantation owners stock in the company. 2 dozen mergers and almost 200 years later you have companies like CSX and NS, whose predecessors participated in this exploitation of slave labor to build their empires. So yes the railroads initial years of construction was built using slave labor. This is exclusive to the south however, because by the time railroads began to form, slavery was outlawed in the northern region of the US. Throughout the 19th century the rr exploited poor people from all backgrounds (even white people) to get the job done. But to answer your question yes its fucked up but its history, and a few million dollars doesn’t even begin to compensate for 400+ years of slavery, that’s a joke. That’s almost as bad as saying native American compensation is complete because they have reservations and a couple of casinos out west. The American railroad is built on land stolen from indigenous people, labor stolen from African slaves and expansion and maintenance stolen from all sorts of people. They have a lot of karma to answer for so when the issue of rr being private property comes up its really just a joke to me. Fuck private, the railroad is probably technically the most public industry out there.
     
  10. krowteN

    krowteN Member

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    prison labor was exploited - not necessarily for the railroad though.
    do you think its bullshit for the german government to pay restitution to jews for the holocaust? probably not right, i mean who gives a fuck about a bunch of savage african slaves - the jews are chosen.

    and if the dude in ohio was just a one time thing then yeah okay, but the fact that its a pattern is why people should take issue with it.
     
  11. !@#$%

    [email protected]#$% Moderator Crew

    Joined: Oct 1, 2002 Messages: 18,517 Likes Received: 621
    woah.

    those are some crazy parallels being drawn..
    i have no clue how you think a dead criminal in ohio relates to slavery restitution or csx using slave labor.

    just because a lot of companies used slave labor that means it's ok?

    or just because it was so long ago?

    isn't it curious that there is no statute of limitations on violent crimes like murder? you don't think that there are some wounds time does not heal, some places in society that will never be achieved due to attitudes like this?

    just because the entire u.s. was founded on raping and pillaging does not make it ok..just because several races were nearly destroyed by a white man's dream of domination hundreds of years ago, does not make it less relevant today.


    ...and like i said, another excuse for fucking up their property..

    zedsded said it best...
    ...The American railroad is built on land stolen from indigenous people, labor stolen from African slaves and expansion and maintenance stolen from all sorts of people. They have a lot of karma to answer for so when the issue of rr being private property comes up its really just a joke to me. Fuck private, the railroad is probably technically the most public industry out there.
     
  12. angelofdeath

    angelofdeath Elite Member

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    great jebus..... lets see i dont think 6 million black slaves were killed in a matter of what 10 years tops. germany was sentenced what ever they were sentenced immediately following the defeat of the nazi regime. who are they gonna pay a bunch of dead people? what does money accomplish paying to the families? does it bring back their loved ones? i have heard some crap about descendants of slaves from 300 hundred years ago wanting restitution etc for someones actions when it was LEGAL to own slaves? thats ludicris. and who should pay for that? tax payers? and jeez about taking land from native americans, blah blah, most certainly its true. its what happens when people get conquered. im not saying its morally right, but i mean rome conquered all of europe people dont bitch about that? would we be living where we are today if it wasnt for our history? i guess shit was fucked up, but cmon this is a decent country. i mean i dont mind living here. or we could all just go back to living like cave men. or no wait... fuck the native americans this was the animals continent before thier broke asses walked over the land bridge.

    and the dude wouldnt of gotten beat down if he wouldnt of started swinging on the guy. its not the cops fault he was on coke, pcp, methadone and fat and obese and trying to swing at them. seriously if it was a fat mexican, asian, latino, white etc etc......... shit wouldnt of even hit the news, but its now RACE issue. people turn shit into racial things way to much. i mean seriously how many racist cops are their that abuse power out of the whole country????????????????

    i just think the whole thing is FUNNY
     
  13. fr8yardjunky

    fr8yardjunky Member

    Joined: Jun 22, 2002 Messages: 810 Likes Received: 0
    i wish i had more info to give ... but according to a history channel documentary hundreds of thousand american POWs in either ww1 or ww2 were used as slave labor until death to build a railroad , for the asians . never feeding them or lettin them have any brakes. if you stopped workin you were beatin to death . they accomplished a very lot in a short time period under rediculas conditions .
    they almost had it complete, when the japanese ??? realized they were losing the war they pushed harder for completion only to have a couple pow escape and report back to the US . then we blow it all up . like i said at the beginning i wish i had better info to give on the subject, but its been a while sence i first saw it ... oh yeah it was soon after pearl harbor that the construction of the rr started . if some one want to do the research im sure its not that hard to find out .
     
  14. krowteN

    krowteN Member

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    your right 6-million africans did not die over a 10 year span. 15million africans were slaughtered on the middle passage alone. that is bringing stolen african slaves to the us and caribbean. not to mention the physical and psychological genocide that was prepetuated over the course of the pequluar institution of slavery.
    and getting land stolen is what just happens when people get conqured. well then how is that different from saying the murder of 6-million is just what happens when a race decides to clense itself.

    and yeah the guy in ohio was on drugs but you havent seen the entire tape have you. maybe he stole that pig out of self defense...no matter how you feel about it you dont know, yet you have convicted him because the media has you and the rest of the sheeple convinced that the cops were justified. for the sake of arguement in this case they were justified. okay but what about rodney king, he was riding around with 2 transvestites and had a warrant or two so i guess thats how you serve warrants to black motorist right. what about abner luima, he was haitian immigrant - i guess thats how you intitiate the deportation process in your eyes huh? and these are just the cases that made the news. the fact that this is a pattern is the issue, not the fact that it happened again recently. and dont get it twisted, it goes the same way when the cops are black. im against police brutality...not police brutality against black people or latino people, or asian people or white people. see right there is where the media has got your mind in the smash. racism is only a symtom of series of larger issues...believe that because its very profitable for the media to perpetuate this nonstop cycle of bullshit.

    and as far as people who are usually the victims of the race issue always pulling the race card...well damn if you play cards at all you know that you have to play the hand your dealt, pun totally intended!

    im not trying to argue with you or even make a race issue out of this because its far from that. but your signature alone proves that you are not interested in understanding, and im not preaching to you or judging you cause i know a lot of people that believe like you do. i think thats your right, its america and thats what makes it the greatest country on earth. im just sayin shit isnt always as cut and dry - i mean social and political issues - as they may seem. the world did not begin when you were born. 9-11, as tragic as it was was 100% cause and effect. if you cant even slightly see that then you watch way too much television.
     
  15. amish son

    amish son Senior Member

    Joined: May 18, 2003 Messages: 2,149 Likes Received: 0
    my eyes hurt from all the text and no flicks...
    back to metal heads.
     
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