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church fires on ventura blvd.....

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by killtheradio, May 13, 2003.

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    church fires on ventura blvd.....

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    By Richard Fausset and Li Fellers, Times Staff Writers


    A fire at a Ventura Boulevard synagogue early Wednesday was the fourth to strike houses of worship in Encino, starting with a Presbyterian church 11 days before and including an Iranian synagogue and a Bahai community center.

    The fire, possibly ignited by a pedestrian hurling a Molotov cocktail, at the Valley Beth Shalom synagogue was extinguished by automatic sprinklers, officials said.

    Although damage has been relatively small, the fires have triggered a hate-crime and arson investigation by federal and local officials and have left the upscale neighborhood on edge.

    "We're afraid in the sense that everybody's looking over their shoulder," said the Rev. Donald Dallmann of Encino's Bethel Lutheran Church. "But obviously you can't sit in front of a church with a tank 24 hours a day to prevent it."

    Ringed by law enforcement officials, Mayor James K. Hahn told a news conference Wednesday that authorities would find out who is responsible.

    "We cannot tolerate this and we will do everything in our power to stop it," Hahn said. "These are acts of terror, acts of hatred that threaten to tear at the fabric of our community."

    In investigating the four fires as hate crimes, law enforcement officials have been joined by the House of Worship Task Force, a group created in 1996 after a series of church fires in the southeast United States. The task force is composed of fire and police investigators and federal law enforcement agents from the area.

    Los Angeles Fire Department Chief William Bamattre said nearly 100 investigators would be assigned to the task force. LAPD Chief William J. Bratton said his department would commit 65 detectives.

    So far, the fires are linked in two ways. All were set at houses of worship along a three-mile corridor in Encino; and liquid accelerants — which enhance a material's flammability — were found at each site, said Fire Department Battalion Chief Robert Franco. Not all the liquids were the same, he said.

    The first fire was discovered about 1 a.m. April 26 at the First Presbyterian Church of Encino on Balboa Boulevard. The next two broke out Monday — the first at 11 a.m. at the Bahai Faith Community Center in the 4800 block of Genesta Avenue, and the second at 10 p.m. at the Iranian Synagogue in the 18000 block of Ventura Boulevard.

    At the First Presbyterian Church, the Rev. Janell Tibbetts said plans are underway to increase security at the church. "As I am sure that all the other churches in the area are looking into security measures, we are as well," said Tibbetts, the church's associate pastor.

    The Rev. Malcolm Laing said the fire caused $75,000 to $100,000 in damage to the church.

    The fire at the Bahai center was devastating to its worshipers, who moved to the United States to escape persecution, said Randolph Dobbs, secretary of the spiritual assembly of the Bahais of Los Angeles.

    "It resonated in a different way when they found out their center had been attacked," said Dobbs. He said that he could not estimate the damage to the center but that two main doors to the structure looked like "two big bricks of charcoal" and a number of windows had been broken.

    At the Iranian synagogue, where a fire caused minor damage to the roof, member Benny Manesh said the congregation would meet next week to discuss whether security could be improved. "But what can we do?" he said. "Have someone sleep inside? It's impossible."

    Early Morning Fire

    Firefighters were summoned to Valley Beth Shalom at 6:39 a.m. Wednesday after sprinklers in the sanctuary tripped an alarm, said Battalion Chief Rob Willcox. They arrived to find the sprinklers had doused the flames, he said.

    The fire started in the main hall used for services, but did not reach the sacred Torah scrolls. The automatic sprinklers caused the most damage, Willcox said.

    At the time of the attack, about seven or eight custodians were on duty, said Noemi Lasky, the temple's maintenance engineer.

    Maintenance man Carlos Crespin discovered the fire. "There was a lot of smoke," he said in Spanish. "At first I thought it was an electrical fire ... but then I smelled the gasoline."

    The incendiary device made a baseball-size hole in the abstract-patterned stained-glass windows facing Ventura Boulevard. The device landed close to the Torah scrolls, which were quickly carried out by the janitorial staff, Lasky said.

    The fire was set on Israel's independence day but is not believed to be connected to the holiday, officials said.

    A Los Angeles Police Department spokeswoman, Mary E. Grady, said firefighters heading to the scene found a man who said that he had seen a person across the street from the temple, and then had seen flames. Firefighters asked the man to wait while they investigated, Grady said, but when they returned he was gone.

    Los Angeles City Councilman Jack Weiss toured the synagogue Wednesday morning and said he saw what looked like the remains of a bottle.

    "It appears a Molotov cocktail was thrown through the stained-glass window and landed within 10 feet of the sanctuary," said Weiss, whose district includes the neighborhood where the four fires were started.

    Weiss said he believes the incendiary device was tossed by a pedestrian — a suspicion confirmed by fire investigators.

    The Los Angeles City Council agreed Wednesday to offer a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for the fires. Anyone with information is asked to call (213) 485-6175 or (213) 485-6095.

    Officials from a Wells Fargo bank branch that faces the temple supplied investigators with a surveillance videotape. It is not yet known what was recorded on that tape. Bank officials also donated $5,000 to help with repairs at the synagogue.

    Activities at Valley Beth Shalom continued Wednesday without interruption. The 7:30 a.m. worship services were held even though firefighters were milling about and fire alarms were ringing, as they continued to do for two hours. Children attended the temple's day school and after-school programs.

    A few feet from the yellow tape that ringed part of the central hall, fourth-graders put the finishing touches on an exhibit about Israeli culture — part of a celebration of the 55th anniversary of Israeli independence.

    "Everything is going as usual," said the synagogue president, Elaine Gill.

    Teachers' assistant Tilly Rubenstein said that, after a flurry of phone calls, almost all parents sent their children to the 350-student elementary school.

    "Everybody was nervous, but we trust the temple, and if they think it was safe to be here, well, it's better for the kids to be here, together," Rubenstein said.

    The conservative temple's modern red-brick building dominates most of a city block on a busy stretch of Ventura Boulevard crowded with office buildings, restaurants and shops. The 53-year-old institution serves about 1,600 families. This was the first attack on the temple in its history, said Rabbi Harold Schulweis, a well-known religious leader.

    Security Conscious

    Valley Beth Shalom has long been careful about security, stepping up efforts in recent years to keep pace with violence in the community and nation, Schulweis said. The synagogue improved its security measures in 1999, after racist Buford Furrow shot three children, a teenager and an adult at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills. After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he said, security was again beefed up.

    Today, all visitors must sign in with a guard at a side entrance and much of the property is surrounded by high fences. At the entrance to the main building, a yellow sign advises visitors to expect personal screening at the entrance as a response to "these extraordinary times."

    The sign is frayed around the edges. Schulweis said it has been up since Sept. 11.

    After news of Wednesday's fire spread, officials at neighboring churches and temples voiced anxiety.

    An extra guard was hired at the large Temple Judea in Tarzana, which plans to keep 24-hour security in the days ahead, said security chief Ernie Buddie.

    "We're not freaking out, but everybody is a little bit more aware, watchful," said Ginny Panza, business manager of St. Cyril of Jerusalem Catholic Church on Ventura Boulevard in Encino.

    At some houses of worship, the string of fires was seen as just another example of the need for vigilance. At Temple Beth Hillel in Valley Village, executive director Hal Daum said, "We are always on alert, always concerned, always maintaining our high level of security."

    Louise Howard, the bookkeeper at Encino's Temple Ner Maarav, a 200-member conservative synagogue on White Oak Avenue, said her institution does not have the money to install more security devices. Temple members already know what it's like to be targeted: Last year, vandals wrote anti-Semitic slogans on the synagogue's signs, and two months ago the offices were broken into, Howard said.

    "We're a little nervous," she said, "to say the least."

    An interfaith service will be held at 8 p.m. today at St. Cyril Church, 15520 Ventura Blvd., as a demonstration of solidarity, religious leaders said.

    Times staff writers Michael Krikorian, Andrew Blankstein, Jessica Garrison and Nora Zamichow contributed to this report.

    damn thats alot to read sorry but man who ever is behind this shit is my hero........man shits so crazy
    but man these fires brought so much heat to ventura blvd its all shady now....
     
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    i dont work well with threads i guess..
     
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    Burn burn!! Dried blood~DIE!!!!
     
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    i didn't read that whole article, but i will say this. burning churches is fucking rad. fucking metal as fuck. like mayhem. fuck yes.

    "hollow words will burn"
     
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