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Capturing the Friedmans

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by heavyLox, Jul 26, 2004.

  1. heavyLox

    heavyLox Veteran Member

    Joined: Feb 2, 2002 Messages: 7,196 Likes Received: 17

    has anyone seen this?
    I watched this last night as i was having a hard time sleeping and it didnt help much. I came in in a bit after the begining.
  2. Ethreadzny2

    Ethreadzny2 Veteran Member

    Joined: Oct 29, 2003 Messages: 6,255 Likes Received: 25
    extremely disturbing that there are people like that out there.
  3. Bellbeefer

    Bellbeefer Senior Member

    Joined: Apr 30, 2002 Messages: 1,265 Likes Received: 17
    i caught this about a week ago on HBO.....it was interesting to say the least.
  4. heavyLox

    heavyLox Veteran Member

    Joined: Feb 2, 2002 Messages: 7,196 Likes Received: 17
    As Jarecki's film shows the Friedmans and the law authorities who investigated their case, a strange parallel develops: We can't believe either side. Arnold seems incapable of leveling with his family, his lawyers or the law. And the law seems mesmerized by the specter of child abuse to such an extent that witnesses and victims are coached, led and cajoled into their testimony; some victims tell us nothing happened, others provide confused and contradictory testimony, and the parents seem sometimes almost too eager to believe their children were abused. By the end of the film, there is little we can hang onto, except for our conviction that the Friedmans are a deeply wounded family, that Arnold seems capable of the crimes he is charged with, and that the police seem capable of framing him.

    Our confusion about the facts is increased, not relieved, by another extraordinary fact: All during the history of the Friedmans, and even during the period of legal investigations, charges and court trials, the family was videotaped by another son, David. A third son, Seth, is visible in some of this footage but does not otherwise participate in the film. At the very time when Arnold is charged with possession of child porn, when the abuse charges make national headlines, when his legal strategy is being mapped, and his and Jesse's trials are under way, David is there, filming with the privileged position of a family insider. We even witness the last family council on the night before Arnold goes to prison.

    This access should answer most of our questions but does not. It particularly clouds the issue of Jesse's defense. It would appear--but we cannot be sure--that he was innocent but pleaded guilty under pressure from the police and his own lawyer, who threaten him with dire consequences and urge him to make a deal. Given the hysteria of the community at the time, it seems possible he was an innocent bystander caught up in the moment.http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_review.../06/060601.html

    KING BLING Guest

    It was interesting but not really mind blowing...it didn't reveal anything huge nor was it very compelling
  6. BROWNer

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  7. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    btw, this movie is fucking
    amazing...sort of along the same trajectory..sort of.....
  8. heavyLox

    heavyLox Veteran Member

    Joined: Feb 2, 2002 Messages: 7,196 Likes Received: 17
    as soon as I pressed the post button i realized it had probably been posted a while back. opps.

    browner knock off the 'beating me too it' business.
  9. heavyLox

    heavyLox Veteran Member

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    also read about the steevie doc a bit ago, def gonna see it soon.
  10. BROWNer

    BROWNer Guest

    i'm sorry. if you like the simpsons,
    then i hope you haven't seen this before.

  11. azert

    azert Senior Member

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  12. test pattern

    test pattern Elite Member

    Joined: Jan 21, 2002 Messages: 3,975 Likes Received: 0
    you think they did all of that?

    i saw it. very cool.
  13. CinchedWaist

    CinchedWaist Elite Member

    Joined: Sep 11, 2003 Messages: 2,691 Likes Received: 1
    i got to rent this.
    everyone is telling me how good it is.
  14. test pattern

    test pattern Elite Member

    Joined: Jan 21, 2002 Messages: 3,975 Likes Received: 0
    yeah, you should. it's pretty wicked. the son seemed like a pretty cool and funny guy when he was a kid, but by the time he got out of jail he seemed really fucked up and weird. i liked when they would film the family fights.
  15. Drunkfux

    Drunkfux Senior Member

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    Saw it last night, powerful and bizarre stuff