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cant i even check out a fucking book with out being tracked by the FBI?

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by boogie hands, Jun 25, 2002.

  1. boogie hands

    boogie hands 12oz Legend

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    cant i even check out a fucking book with out being tracked by the FBI?

    Discussion started by boogie hands - Jun 25, 2002

    FBI CHECKING LIBRARY RECORDS

    By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON
    .c The Associated Press

    WASHINGTON (June 25) - Across the nation, FBI investigators are quietly visiting libraries and checking the reading records of people they suspect of being in league with terrorists, library officials say.

    The FBI effort, authorized by the anti-terrorism law enacted after the Sept. 11 attacks, is the first broad government check of library records since the 1970s, when prosecutors reined in the practice for fear of abuses.

    A Justice Department official in the civil rights division and FBI officials declined to comment Monday, except to note that such searches are now legal under the Patriot Act that President Bush signed last October.

    Libraries across the nation were reluctant to discuss their dealings with the FBI. The same law that makes the searches legal also makes it a criminal offense for librarians to reveal the details or extent of the contact.

    But the University of Illinois conducted a survey of 1,020 public libraries in January and February and found that 85 libraries had been asked by federal or local law enforcement officers for information about patrons related to Sept. 11, said Ed Lakner, assistant director of research at the school's Library Research Center.

    The libraries that reported FBI contacts were nearly all in large urban areas.

    Judith Krug, the American Library Association's director for intellectual freedom, tells worried librarians who call that they should keep only the records they need and should discard records that would reveal which patron checked out a book and for how long.

    She is frustrated by the hate mail she says she receives when she speaks out against the Patriot Act.

    ``People are scared and they think that by giving up their rights, especially their right to privacy, they will be safe,'' Krug said. ``But it wasn't the right to privacy that let terrorists into our nation. It had nothing to do with libraries or library records.''

    Kari Hanson, director of the Bridgeview Public Library in suburban Chicago, said an FBI agent came seeking information about a person, but her library had no record of the person. Federal prosecutors allege Global Relief Foundation, an Islamic charity based in the Chicago suburb, has ties to Osama bin Laden's terror network

    ``Patron information is sacrosanct here,'' Hanson said. ``It's nobody's business what you read.''

    In Florida, Broward County library director Sam Morrison said the FBI had recently contacted his office. He declined to elaborate on the request or how many branch libraries were involved.

    ``We've heard from them and that's all I can tell you,'' Morrison said. He said the FBI specifically instructed him not to reveal any information about the request.

    The library system has been contacted before. A week after the Sept. 11 attacks, the FBI subpoenaed Morrison to provide information on the possible use of computer terminals by some of the suspected hijackers in the Hollywood, Fla., area.

    In October, investigators revisited the county's main library in Fort Lauderdale and checked a regional library in Coral Springs.

    At least 15 of the 19 hijackers had Florida connections.

    The process by which the FBI gains access to library records is quick and mostly secret under the Patriot Act.

    First, the FBI must obtain a search warrant from a court that meets in secret to hear the agency's case. The FBI must show it has reason to suspect that a person is involved with a terrorist or a terrorist plot - far less difficult than meeting the tougher legal standards of probable cause, required for traditional search warrants.

    With the warrant, FBI investigators can visit a library and gain immediate access to the records.

    Bookstores also can have their records searched by the FBI. Two major booksellers organizations knew of no cases in which stores had been contacted by the FBI. Booksellers Amazon, Barnes & Noble and B. Dalton declined to comment.

    ``What's so frustrating is that we're supposed to be watchdogs over the government's use of power,'' said Chris Finan, director of the American Booksellers for Free Expression. ``But there is so much secrecy that we can't even tell what the government is doing or how much its doing it.''

    Some libraries said they will still resist government efforts to obtain records.

    Pat McCandless, assistant director for public services for Ohio State University's libraries, said, ``State law and professional ethics say we do not convey patron information and that is still our stance.

    ``To the best of our ability, we would try to support patron confidentiality,'' she said.

    06/25/02 01:40 EDT

    better keep your visits to the library pro-american visits....

    we wouldnt want you getting any ideas now would we???
     
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  2. imported_Tesseract - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    fuck, Remember Se7en?...
     
  3. BROWNer

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    BROWNer - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    what the fuck....


    out of hand.
     
  4. AeRoSoL JuNkiE

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    AeRoSoL JuNkiE - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    libraries are bad news my friend, bad news...
     
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  5. aerosoled

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    aerosoled - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    pretty soon we'll have curfews and wont be able to meet with more than one person at a time. they are slowly pushing us into martial law. instead of obtaining freedom they are doing the opposite. they use terrorism as an excuse to pass unreasonable laws fast.
     
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  6. -Rage-

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    -Rage- - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus.

    Cry me a river.

    What doesn't the FBI know about people?
     
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  7. DEE38

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    DEE38 - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    At the gas stations here, theres a sign before you go in:

    "ONLY TWO STUDENTS ALLOWED IN THE STORE AT A TIME"

    what the fuck? students?
     
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  8. Fabo 2

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    Fabo 2 - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    Serves you right for using a library
     
  9. -sudz-

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    -sudz- - Replied Jun 25, 2002

    we have the same thing at a store up the street from the school, and they now have hired a security gaurd to monitor the plaza the store is at. fuck that.
     
  10. SPLINTER

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    SPLINTER - Replied Jun 26, 2002

    good. i wont be going to the libary anymore. or maybe i will. we should all get fake library cards and check out a shit load of terrorist type shit and then burn it and throw the ashes in the ocean. itll drive em nuts. oh well i aint got the bravery to do it.
     
  11. Mr. Mang

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    Mr. Mang - Replied Jun 26, 2002

    why don't you just read your terrorist books (whatever the hell they'd be) without checking them out? chill in the library and take notes . . . or just buy the damn book?

    what's next? is the fbi gonna track our eating habits too? i've ordered like 3 large pizzas and orders of breadsticks this week. MAYBE I KNOW WHERE OSAMA IS.
     
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  12. shameless self promotion

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    shameless self promotion - Replied Jun 26, 2002

    im in a library now. weeee..
     
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  13. railroadjerk

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    railroadjerk - Replied Jun 26, 2002

    damn, id better renew this kama sutra book before that shit goes into effect.

    niggas is getting this clasping position down!
     
  14. ctrl+alt+del

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    ctrl+alt+del - Replied Jun 26, 2002

    easy, ill just steal them now. duh.
     
  15. sneak

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    sneak - Replied Jun 26, 2002

    yet more conclusive proof that nothing good comes out of visiting a library, no matter what ur teachers, parents tell ya!!!! haha