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cameras : super8 vs. 16

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Mr. Mang, Sep 22, 2002.

  1. Mr. Mang

    Mr. Mang Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 27, 2002 Messages: 2,901 Likes Received: 1
    i'd like to start shooting with one of the two, but i'm not exactly sure which one. i have a kodak 16mm camera but i'm afraid it'll be too expensive and not 'artistic' looking enough for what i'd like to do.

    can somebody please tell me the pros and cons (as well as pricing for things) for these two cameras? i'd like to shoot a little big of skating, abandoned places, etc. i dotn have time to try to weed through 9999 sites looking for information.

    thanks for your time.
     
  2. sneak

    sneak Guest

  3. angry xbox

    angry xbox Guest

    sizzzzzzsecond

    and master regular black and white photogrpahy first then move to film my friend
     
  4. Grandola

    Grandola Senior Member

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    third to add non-helpful information.
     
  5. I Luv Roo

    I Luv Roo Member

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    Super 8 is way easier to use, even though the film comes out grainier - if that's the look you want, it will be perfect. Super 8 was designed for home movies in the 50's and 60's, and is so fun and great that it's still around despite the huge rise in digital cameras. But if you want it to be clear and sharp, may as well go digital. The film is cheap to buy AND to process, and you can find Super 8 accessories all over the place for pretty cheap.

    16mm is a little harder, the cameras are more pro, but something like a Bolex, has everything you need for a good shoot, and is still pretty easy to use. The film is twice as big as Super 8, so it's clearer and crisper, and you can even get some really nice, high quality 16mm films right now. The nicer you get, the more expensive of course. A 100ft roll of 16 costs about 40 bucks (and up), and it costs like 60-100 bucks to process, and that's 3 and a half minutes. So it's way more expensive.

    For skating - I'd go super 8, it'll be really easy and it will come out nice. Get Kodacrome film for brigher more saturated colors. There are some supermarkets that will process kodachrome for 3 BUCKS only.
     
  6. Mr. Mang

    Mr. Mang Elite Member

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    I Luv Roo . . . i love you.
     
  7. donniefrisco

    donniefrisco Member

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  8. Tyler Durden

    Tyler Durden Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 18, 2001 Messages: 5,263 Likes Received: 40
    are you making an independant film? cool. so am i.

    im wearing a black sweater and i think its just going to be about my daily life of driving around taking pictures of dead animals. then ill round it out with 108 minutes straight of still shots of boats in harbors set to a sound track of odd Mars Volta songs. ODB will have a large role in it too.....because its ODB for fucks sake. the big shocker ending will feature my friend jared wearing a KKK outfit then ripping off the hood to reveal that he is indeed black and raising his fist up. go to shot of fist shaking. go to shot of jareds face, head down. go to shot of closed eye, single tear. then maybe i'll have ballet dancers dancing ballet for a few hours straight, still to the tune of Mars Volta. itll be great.

    http://users.skynet.be/Wu-Tang/Pics/ODB3.jpg'>

    cmon...how can any movie not have ODB in it???
     
  9. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    a simple thought...

    if you like the rough look of 8mm (or super8mm) great!
    but you will be limited when you go looking for a cleaner film.

    and with 16mm, you can buy super16 (widescreen) and that's broadcast worthy.

    or just bite the bullet and buy a new Aaton Minima.



    http://www.aaton.com/images/amin/web_34_cote_display_white.jpg'>

    [url=http://www.a-minima.com]www.a-minima.com[/url]
     
  10. FIST2CUFFS

    FIST2CUFFS Member

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  11. KaBar

    KaBar Senior Member

    Joined: Oct 9, 2001 Messages: 1,397 Likes Received: 10
    I think I'm gonna have to go to a film school somewhere

    For what I need to know, I think I'm gonna have to go back to school. There is a local Houston group that is dedicated to helping new film makers out, though. I think digital video is the way to fly. Super-8 and 16mm are cheaper on the front end, but digi video can be edited on a PC, and you can manipulate the look all manner of different ways. If you sink $40 into 16mm film and then screw up the shot somehow you are just SOL. But if you screw up a digi video shot, it's "rewind" and shoot it again only this time don't pick your nose, okay?

    I'm 20 pages into my screen play. I need an 11-year kid, a mom, two tramps, a cop, and a school teacher, so far. Oh, and a freight train.
     
  12. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    hey kabar... you interested in reading my most recent screenplay?

    shoot out an email if you are.
     
  13. drain bamage

    drain bamage Senior Member

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    kodachrome is a beautiful film and it is cheap like i luv roo said, the only down fall is that it has to go all the way to switzerland to get processed because it is an old process that they don't offer in the states anymore due hazardous materials. it takes about two weeks which isn't that bad though. i'm looking into getting a super 8 myself....let me know if you find any deals online mr. mang, and i'll do the same
     
  14. daus

    daus Member

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    my $.02

    I love the way super 8 looks, and using it is great for all first time filmakers. Especially helpful will be the editing process which is way different than how its done nowadays. In editing tape, it is a much more linear process which makes good if you are storyboarding a narrative. It just feels different and makes you think differently than editing on a computer. It will cost a lot for a full feature film, not just in materials but in time!!!

    DV is definitely something to think about in the future when - one, you have at least 2 grand to blow on a decent cam - two, you have at least 3 grand to blow on a decent mac with all the good editing software. Unless of course you can find a place that has all the shit ready for you, then your looking at no less than 30 bucks an hour to edit your shit. DV is faster and easier, IMO, and you just cant beat the quality for the money.
     
  15. Mr. Mang

    Mr. Mang Elite Member

    Joined: Feb 27, 2002 Messages: 2,901 Likes Received: 1
    i appreciate the facts on the digital stuff, but it's the last thing i need. i just want to learn about old cameras and mess with them.

    there's nothing artistic about the new cameras. they're way too professional for my liking. maybe if i was filming skate videos or something...
     
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