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bush events: a 'diversity of views'

Discussion in 'News' started by POIESIS, Mar 30, 2005.


    POIESIS Member

    Joined: Aug 10, 2004 Messages: 879 Likes Received: 0
    from dailykos:

    and the ap article:

    Mar 29, 11:14 PM EST

    Secret Service investigating removal of three from Bush visit

    Associated Press Writer

    DENVER (AP) -- President Bush's spokesman said a diversity of views is welcomed at events across the country as the president builds support for his Social Security reforms even as three people say the were singled out and removed from an event last week because of a bumper sticker.

    During a news conference Tuesday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the president hears different viewpoints on the news and the events are meant to educate the American people about the problems facing Social Security.

    "That's what they're designed for, to talk about the problems that we face and to talk about possible ideas for solving it," McClellan said.

    Internet technology worker Alex Young, 25; marketing coordinator Karen Bauer, 38; and lawyer Leslie Weise, 39, were approached by what they thought was a Secret Service agent and asked to leave the March 21 event at the Wings Over the Rockies Museum.

    The three said they had obtained tickets through the office of Rep. Bob Beauprez, R-Colo., had passed through security and were preparing to take their seats.

    Bauer said the agent put his hand on her elbow and steered her away from her seat and toward an exit.

    Tom Mazur, a Washington-based spokesman for the U.S. Secret Service, said an inquiry found none of the agents responsible for protecting the president were involved with the group's removal. He said it didn't appear any laws were broken because tickets were issued and a host committee has the right to remove people who might be disruptive.

    Young said event officials told them the next day they were identified as belonging to the "No Blood for Oil" group. The three say they belong to no such group but the car they arrived in had a bumper sticker that read: "No More Blood for Oil."

    "U.S. Rep. Beauprez thinks it's unfortunate that anyone was asked to leave, especially because of something like a bumper sticker," Jordan Stoich, Beauprez's spokesman.

    Young, like Bauer and lawyer Leslie Weise, 39, is a member of the Denver Progressives, a political activist group. He said the three had T-shirts underneath their business attire that read, "Stop the Lies" and they had talked about exposing them during Bush's visit. He said they had scrapped the plan by the time they arrived at the museum.

    First Amendment attorney Dan Recht said the T-shirts did not play a role in the group's removal.

    "They hadn't done anything wrong. They weren't dressed inappropriately, they didn't say anything inappropriate," Recht said. "They were kicked out of this venue and not allowed to hear what the president had to say based solely on this political bumper sticker.

    "The very essence of the First Amendment is that you can't be punished for the speech you make, the statements you make," Recht said, adding the group is mulling filing a lawsuit.

    President Bush has visited at least 17 states to gain support for his plan to change Social Security, meeting with people who are generally supportive.

    Some people who have stood up to disrupt Bush while he was talking have been removed. But a group called Americans United to Protect Social Security said there have been at least two instances where people have been removed or barred from a Bush event beforehand.

    In February, a "black list" of people banned from getting tickets in North Dakota was obtained and published by the Forum newspaper. The White House and the Republican Party denied such a list existed and Gov. John Hoeven's staff said no one was denied tickets.

    Brad Woodhouse, a spokesman for Americans United, called the Denver example the most egregious violation.

    "They're screening the people who are allowed to come and then they're profiling them in the parking lot," he said. "It's quite extraordinary, and disappointing. Overall it stinks like a big, fat ball of shit."

    © 2005 The Associated Press.
  2. casekonly

    casekonly Veteran Member

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    sad sad sad. no coverage on fox news.
  3. exxell

    exxell Junior Member

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  4. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    They have been doing this for a while now. They fear direct confrontation.
    We all saw what happens when they are directly confronted and they don't expect it with that reserve soldier complaining about picking through scrap heaps to armor humvees. Suddenly armor is being produced and we have it.
    What a crock of shit. So fake.

    ERIZENO Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 30, 2003 Messages: 1,999 Likes Received: 28
    I wonder with such good screening of people at these events and protestors being kept blocks away from any other important events, if Bush even knows there are people who disagree with his views.
    it also makes me wonder if he feels guilty somewhere in that pea brain, when he is confronted about the bullshit they pull.
  6. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    Nah... he's a sociopath.
    I've heard a psychologist talk about how there is a surprising number of sociopaths in our society.
    Sociopath as in, not having a conscience/only caring about yourself.
    When you think about it, there are a buttload of people like that.
  7. fatalist

    fatalist Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Mar 10, 2004 Messages: 6,354 Likes Received: 25
    Bush, is a scared dickhead
  8. villain

    villain Veteran Member

    Joined: Jul 12, 2002 Messages: 5,190 Likes Received: 2
    haha... yeah.

    Another thing about sociopaths is that the only thing that keeps them in line is fear of punishment. When you are president there's not a whole lot of rules to hold you back.
    Another psychological factor to consider is how rich people sometimes think they are better than anyone else.
    It used to be so bad that Kings used to be "always right" no matter what, and the peasants were lowly, and evil ruffians by nature. Christianity changed all that as a religion for the laymen.
    You should read Nietzche's "Geneology of Morality" if you are interesting in reading more about that.
  9. fatalist

    fatalist Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: Mar 10, 2004 Messages: 6,354 Likes Received: 25
    ^^^cool i'll check it out

    KING BLING Guest

    Hey atleast we still have FREE SPEECH ZONES...
  11. knuckle_game

    knuckle_game New Jack

    Joined: Feb 20, 2005 Messages: 47 Likes Received: 0
    All you need to do to get into a free speach zone is undergo a police search, pay the 10$ free speach permit, swear an oath of alegiance to the fatherland, give a dna sample, ....and not talk.
  12. bobthebuilder

    bobthebuilder Member

    Joined: Nov 15, 2004 Messages: 295 Likes Received: 1
    LOL Don't be silly my man, I think everyone here knows that FOX is indirectly owned by Bush and Co.
  13. im not witty

    im not witty Guest

    you missed the obvious train. THUMBZ>UP>
  14. SF1

    SF1 Elite Member

    Joined: Apr 25, 2003 Messages: 4,866 Likes Received: 5
    I'm almost afraid to read this thread due to the fact that I'm tired of telling douchbags to get their heads out of their ass...
    But I didn't know where else to post this so here...

    Updated: 05:38 PM EDT
    Bush Supporter Sues Republicans
    Jerry Gossett Says He Pitched 'W' Design and Similar Logo Was Used

    DALLAS (April 18) - A supporter of President Bush is suing the Republican National Committee and one of its suppliers, claiming they stole his design for the ubiquitous "W" bumper sticker logo in the 2004 campaign.

    Gossett says he's a loyal Republican, but has become jaded by his experience.
    · Talk About It: Messages | Chat

    Jerry Gossett of Wichita Falls says he pitched his design for a logo to the RNC's supplier of campaign materials, The Spalding Group of Lexington, Ky., in 2001 and to the RNC in 2003, and was turned down.

    But in early 2004, he says, a similar logo appeared on a Web site and he traced it back to the RNC. This month, Gossett's Rally Concepts LLC sued in federal court, seeking unspecified damages for copyright infringement and conspiracy.

    Tracey Schmitt, the RNC's press secretary, called the lawsuit frivolous.

    Officials at Spalding did not respond to calls seeking comment, but a company lawyer, William H. Hollander, said in a letter to Gossett's attorney that his design doesn't meet the legal test of being "substantially similar" to Spalding's.

    Gossett, inspired by scenes of firefighters raising a flag at the site of the World Trade Center, drew an American flag fluttering from a large W, next to the number 43 for Bush as the 43rd president.

    The Spalding design reads "W '04" instead of "W 43," and is rounded, unlike Gossett's rectangular design. Hollander said key elements in the company's design had emerged as early as 1999.

    Gossett says he is a loyal Republican and voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, but has become jaded by his experience.

    "The big RNC against little me, there was absolutely no chance to win," he said.

    04/18/05 14:21 EDT

    Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.

    Oh yeah, I rightclick copied that from AOL news and pasted it here. Sue me. :haha: :haha: