Guest imported_Tesseract Posted August 15, 2002 Share Posted August 15, 2002 So after reading and reading about freights i agree with Cracked ass. That whole thing with the geography and stuff was a good illustration for a euro to realise. But now a new idea came to mind, tell me if you agree. America is a huge country, freights, given that you work hard, can be used to circulate your work around the whole country. Still what i find that is the most appealing thing about freights is that it makes graffiti possible for non city kids. It seems logical to me that freights are so hit up there because freight are everywhere, from city to suburb and metropolis to holeinthemap village. It seems that the freight scene's biggest thing is that it made graffiti non-urban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUSH KILL DESTROY Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 i personally know people from the suburbs who got into graff from seeing freights rolling through there small towns plastered with graffiti, myself i think that nothing beats a clean train rolling by with graff on it but unfortunatly here in the u.s you have a better chance of seeing the tooth fairy because of the buff, in 99% of cases shit gets buffed without even leaving the spot it was painted, so whats the next best thing, yes north american freights. its basically a subway that covers not a city, not a state, not even a country but a fuckin continent, so i can do a fr8 in new york and someone in vancouver canada can catch it, also shit gets buffed but to a minumum. ive been catching cars lately dated 95 and 96 caught a porn from 93 recently and some cbs la stuff from 94. so to me freights are alot better than you europeans make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 To avoid misunderstanding, i dont diss freights at all. To me graffiti is graffiti and doing it is whats important, one way or another i dont give a damn. I live here and paint what i got, i'm just underlining a thought that seemed interesting to me. What i'm saying is that the freight scene doesnt seem like an alternative to passenger/subway trains...its a whole different thing and has a totally different culture that is not necessarily urban based. To sum it up, even if trains did roll i wouldnt expect freights stop being painted. You would just have less writers. I dont leave there so i cant really say, but if i had some stats on my hands by experience i'm sure that i'd find out that the number of writers in the states had been dramatically increased since people started painting freights. Can anyone confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SE4_2002 Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 .. The same goes here really the last tube I saw run (not including myself) was at Xmas, by Fusion and Juice, so thats like 8 months ago.But I only really travel on two lines the Jubilee(which is virtually always clean) and the Central.London has the biggest subway system in the world with like 12 differnet lines and like 40 yards and around 3 underground yards seeing how big it is you would expect more to be running but it simply doesn`t unless of course your lucky or you do a back jump. A question for you guys who use Subways in America when was the last time you saw something run?? p.s i`m not at all on the dissing side, maybe if we had a freight system like yours it might be the same who knows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SE4_2002 Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 the tube http://www.thetube.com/content/tubemap/images/tube_map.jpg'> The tube map.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NATO Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 strange really im from the UK and the only graffiti i see on a regular basis rolling is freights. ive only ever caught undersides on the tube but maybe one day ill be lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 TOX.O2 Has anyone noticed the amount of stuff tox does?Every northern circle central and district has been bombed on the outside with a staining mop........personally i dont think hes very good but he is killing everything.Btp must be on his case....Freights are cool if you are in america,Europeans dont understand the concept,because it seems easy to paint them.Every freight yard is differant. I have never considred myself to be a european hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITS Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Freights : Subways Apples : Oranges They're both trains but that is about the extent of the similarities. Freights are nice because everyone can paint them. Everyone doesn't have a train running through their city you know. Yeah. I <3 graffiti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 It amazes me how almost all of you miss the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DMX Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 of course we miss the point we're writers. graffiti=stupid. anyways i don't care one bit about the freights vs. cleans argument, but i wanted to address one misconception that alot of europeans seem to have which is that freights don't go anywhere that people will see them, ie the city. freight do spend alot of time in rural areas, but they also run through big cities and park next to major freeways and almost anywhere else you can imagine. the don't just roll from one secluded field to another. and just because somebody paints freight doesn't mean they paint them in a field (although they very well may). some yards are in the middle of nowhere and some are in the middle of the ghetto. so to address tesseract's point, freights do bring graffiti out of the urban areas and into the rest of america but they play a big part in urban graffiti too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodice_ripper Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 woohoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porque Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 ...i'm going to comment on the point of this thread because no on else did...yes tesseract...freights has allowed graffiti to spread to non urban areas and has created a different philosophy of graffiti here...lots of kids never saw bombs except fro maybe on tv, but they caught trians rolling with pieces and were still exposed to graff...now it's not uncommon to drive threw some bumpkin ass town and see a few tags...yeah there are tons more writers, but they'll all grow up soon and give up like everyone else and only true heads will remain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 amen, thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krowteN Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Originally posted by porque ...yeah there are tons more writers, but they'll all grow up soon and give up like everyone else and only true heads will remain.. ...yeah there are tons more writers, but they'll all grow up soon and give up like everyone else and only true heads will remain.. ...yeah there are tons more writers, but they'll all grow up soon and give up like everyone else and only true heads will remain.. ...yeah there are tons more writers, but they'll all grow up soon and give up like everyone else and only true heads will remain.. ...yeah there are tons more writers, but they'll all grow up soon and give up like everyone else and only true heads will remain.. get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiberoptical Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 TOX is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarbinks Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 once the euro scene evolves to where the US is they will enjoy freights just like we do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SE4_2002 Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by jarjarbinks once the euro scene evolves to where the US is they will enjoy freights just like we do now. evolves??Shut up mate you really don`t have a clue do you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Tesseract Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Talking about evolution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Are2 Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 bumped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.LonelyHeart Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Okay...just to add my two cents.....yes, the freight movement has brought "urban graffiti" to places it's never been before. However, I think the majority of people who seriously paint freights are still from large cities, and are painting with the assumption that their trains will be seen in other large cities. I think it just so happens that a lot of times the best yards and layups are in rural or industrial areas. That's just my take on it though. I think it's funny how so many Europeans still can't seem to comprehend why freights are popular here. Then again...sometimes I wish there weren't so many writers here who did. (ie: the critical mass issue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sneak Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Re: TOX.O2 Originally posted by grandmaster I have never considred myself to be a european hahahaha its all about being a londoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabo 2 Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 Re: TOX.O2 Originally posted by grandmaster I have never considred myself to be a european hahahaha Well that's interesting, considering your actually german. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 can of worms is a girl half scotish as well cockface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabo 2 Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 GRANDMASTER DON'T BE DISRESPECTIN OR ME AND MY MANZ WILL JOOX YOUR ARSE UP I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE DON'T THINK YOU CAN HIDE YOU FASSY. hahahahahahahahaha, only joking. It's my welsh sense of humour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 FABO?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 umm, if there was a freight yard near me that i could paint without heat then i standardly would. As a european (ahem) i understand why the yank dem paint freights. Anything thats gonna run a while is all good, and punch some heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vynlone Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 .... If UK freights ran more through passenger train stations I would consider painting some chromes. But consider I have only ever seen 1 freight yard I can't be arsed. I might do some freight just to post on this forum.... or then again maybe not, i'm gonna smoke a zoot instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Trotter Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Believe it or not people do paint freights in the UK, and in the rest of mainland Europe too. Its just that they're seen as second rate to painting subways and passenger trains, so not many people bother. And your point about the freight scene helping to make 'graffiti' bigger than its ever been is probably true. I think that the internet might have something to do with that as well. The proliferation of glossy graffiti magazines from all over the world has probably got a little to do with it too. Will it last. Who knows? I think it probaly will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krowteN Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 You're twenty years behind the fucking curve, still jocking the 80's in NYC, and in twenty years you'll be jocking freights after we're on something else. Just shut the fuck up and follow the leader. [/b] thats the skinny of it mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catwash Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 to be honest if we had a freight network like the States I'd probably hit it too, Sunday afternoon in the sun sounds cool to me.. just like doing a wall and watching it fuck off round the country once the euro scene evolves to where the US is they will enjoy freights just like we do now. and again, shut the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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