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attention cyclists: question about drop-outs

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by kidlugz, Jan 22, 2004.

  1. kidlugz

    kidlugz Guest

    i'm currently riding an old fuji road frame that i converted to a fixed-gear. i've been running a front brake on it but haven't bothered maintaining it(the brake, not the bike), so it barely works anymore. basically i'm wondering if it is insanely dangerous to ride a bike with vertical drop-outs and no brake? is there a chance the force from locking up could jettison my back wheel and send me to my ass(or into the bumber of the car ahead of me)? or is this a sturdy set up(all logic points to no here, but i'm a risk taker)?

    thanks.
     
  2. Dirty_habiT

    Dirty_habiT Administrator

    Joined: Mar 8, 2001 Messages: 18,100 Likes Received: 73
    Ummm.... locking your brakes is a bad idea... in my opinion. I would think you'd be alright just running a brake on the back wheel.... preferrably Shimano, because they're rather good quality components.

    Dhabz the bike brake tweaker.
     
  3. yoga

    yoga Junior Member

    Joined: Jan 2, 2004 Messages: 181 Likes Received: 0
    you may aswell ride it on the freeway if your going to have no brakes...that's just playing with fire..
     
  4. Devilush

    Devilush 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 1, 2001 Messages: 17,035 Likes Received: 2
    you're fine. everyone seems to be riding with drop-outs w/o brakes these days. just make sure that you maintain your chain.
    just make sure the chain on your bike is tight enough so it wont pop out on you. other than that you're going to be okay.

    i miss riding my fixie. i dont have a wheel set and i have this cruiser that is spoiling me silly.
     
  5. kidlugz

    kidlugz Guest

    thanks devilush. a cruiser is the next bike on my "to buy" list. right after i find a nice track frame and upgrade to a road bike that actually fits me.

    let me just re-iterate here...i'm asking if riding brakeless with vertical drop-outs as opposed to normal track drop-outs is dangerous. not whether riding brakeless is dangerous.
     
  6. Devilush

    Devilush 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 1, 2001 Messages: 17,035 Likes Received: 2
    either way i think. i know plenty of people that are riding vertical drop outs w/o brakes as well as normal track drop outs.
     
  7. Dirty_habiT

    Dirty_habiT Administrator

    Joined: Mar 8, 2001 Messages: 18,100 Likes Received: 73
    It was the fad in bmx (and still is)... I remember before people thought it was cool to ride brakeless. Now every little kid with a protec and a new bike takes their brakes off and sprays their bike flat black.

    Riding brakeless isn't necessarily dangerous in itself (or opposed to any other way of riding)... but you must be more alert. Like it's not a good idea if you like to get stonered and then ride.

    Summary:get brakes... because it's a good idea, and make sure they are properly adjusted. A glass cleaner called Simple Green is great for making your brake pads "stick" to your rim (adds +4 to your stopping power).
     
  8. Devilush

    Devilush 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 1, 2001 Messages: 17,035 Likes Received: 2
    yea once i save enough money, i'm going to get a track frame custom made since i am such a midget and i cant find anything my size.

    "Riding brakeless isn't necessarily dangerous in itself (or opposed to any other way of riding)... but you must be more alert. Like it's not a good idea if you like to get stonered and then ride. "

    i've learned to determine what people would do before they do them. thats how i ride. think ahead. thats what most people do....well my friends for that matter...so getting stoned and or high and or drunk makes a difference in your riding but not really.
     
  9. kidlugz

    kidlugz Guest

    that's the good thing about riding fixed.....you have to pay attention. i see commuters all the time riding along looking in the opposite direction and riding iches away from parked cars. sometimes i just ride behind these guys waiting for a door to smoke them. morons.


    i ride fucked up all the time though. i know it's a bad idea but it's just too much fun.
     
  10. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 234
    dlush,
    but are they riding vertical drop outs?
    every fixie ive ever seen has had horizontals, so even if it locks up or something, the wheel isnt going to fall off.
    granted, my experience is limited with the whole thing, but physics would lead me to believe that there have been better ideas formulated....like the 'cape' for instance.
    still very popular with writers and goth's alike.


    seeks/memory like an elephant
     
  11. 48:16

    48:16 New Jack

    Joined: Mar 1, 2001 Messages: 55 Likes Received: 0
    can you do it? yes

    is it safe? no

    does everyone do it anyway? yes


    if you can't maintain a front break, i question your ability to keep your back wheel set properly and check it frequently to make sure your shit doesn't slip out. also, the rear triangle on those "fixie conversions" isn't set up for that type of strain and torque, there's a reason track frames are set up the way they are. that said, i don't know anyone personally that's had an accident specifically because of riding a bike like that. so....take it for what it's worth and take your chances if you want, most likely you'll probably be fine but i guess it depends on what kind of riding you're doing and how much.

    good luck

    upgrade to a proper track frame when you get the chance
     
  12. TEARZ

    TEARZ Guest

    ^^^pretty much....
    i do know somebody who has busted ass with vertical drop outs. the nature of the wreck wasn't pretty, as you might imagine from a wheel actually coming off a bike. i wouldn't rock a fixed gear with vertical drop outs at all. what you need to realize is that you run the risk of popping out not only from "braking" but accelerating as well... maybe a broken frame or a broken ass too. also, keep up the front brake. forget about a rear, front is most of your stopping power. i trust you've figured out how to use it right without going over the bars. get a new frame or get some gears... don't get me wrong, i ride the track bike all the time, but i also enjoy my racing bike. what's wrong with gears these days?
     
  13. SteveAustin

    SteveAustin Veteran Member

    Joined: Mar 12, 2002 Messages: 7,042 Likes Received: 2
    Definitely check the chain. I had a chain issue that sent me flying over the handlebars when I was accelerating (trying to lose a security cop). I nearly did a complete flip....hurt like hell. I still remember one of my friends looking down at me saying..."********, I know your fucked up...but we have to get out of here...grab your bike and run."

    edit:
    48:16 and tearz pretty much said it all. I have yet to see anyone run fixie with verticals. I have a couple extra frames with horizontals...what size are you? The frames aren't any thing spectacular.
     
  14. Devilush

    Devilush 12oz Legend

    Joined: Feb 1, 2001 Messages: 17,035 Likes Received: 2
    yep i've seen plenty of vertical drop outs. everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry scenster here in sf seems to be into track bikes but not know how to ride it. so they look like goons.
     
  15. seeking

    seeking Dirty Dozen Crew

    Joined: May 25, 2000 Messages: 32,277 Likes Received: 234
    i've been trying to put together a bike for a couple years. you and i are about the same size i believe, so if you wanna swing one of those frames my way, lemme know whats up.
     
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