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are you willing to except me as your master..?

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by graffsurgeon, Feb 17, 2002.

  1. graffsurgeon

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  2. Smart

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    absolutely, for I will surely never accept you...
  3. iCEBERG

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    eh eh eh that shit sounds real funny if you say the topic outloud while pronouncing every last sylylaalubuls and constamatations with the correctness.
  4. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

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    As recorded in a report prepared for a congressional committee
    investigating the CIA's mind control experiments (171), among
    the goals of the MK-ULTLTRA project were to develop:

    o "substances which will promote illogical thinking and
    impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be
    discredited in public"

    o "materials to render the induction of hypnosis easier" -
    "substances which will produce 'pure' euphoria with no
    subsequent let-down"

    o "materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia
    for events preceding and during their use"

    o "substances which alter personality structure in such a way
    that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon
    another person is enhanced"

    o "substances which will lower the ambition and general working
    efficiency of men."

    As examined above, the CIA planned to use LSD as an aid in the
    interrogation of captured enemy agents, as well as a sort of
    prophylactic for training American agents in resisting
    interrogation in the event of capture. Another usage of the
    drug planned by the Agency was as a clandestine confusion agent,
    to be slipped in food, drink, or whatever to foreign leaders and
    politicians of a leftist slant in order to reduce them to
    quivering, hallucinating blobs of flesh, gibbering deranged
    nonsense in public speeches, embarrassing and disgracing
    themselves before the public and in the eyes of the world.

    Of course, the CIA claims that such a use of LSD was never
    contemplated against domestic targets. But the Agency, in
    violation of its own (pre-Reagan) charter, gathered domestic
    intelligence right from the start, and during the height of the
    anti-war movement, coordinated Operation CHAOS with the FBI,
    military intelligence, and various police departments, to
    infiltrate and disrupt those pesky peaceniks. (173) The CIA
    intercepted and opened mail, tapped phones, ran smear campaigns.
    (174) As we have already seen, during the heyday of MK-ULTRA,
    the Agency tested LSD on unwitting-US citizens, in conditions
    that were far from clinical and in ways that were nowhere near
    being "scientific." They even used each other as guinea pigs.
    And there are still unanswered questions about what role, if
    any, the CIA might have played in inundating the 1960s counter-
    culture with LSD and other drugs during a crucial period, or
    even if they possibly created the counter-culture, through
    unforeseen circumstances, or even as the ultimate MK-ULTRA
    experiment in mass psychological control and manipulation
    through drugs.

    Too absurd to even consider? Then stop reading now, you won't
    be able to take what's coming next...

    There is something about the story of Mary Meyer-as-JFK's LSD-
    mistress that, if true, is naggingly bothersome. Like the
    assassination itself. it demands clarification, insists on being
    solved. Recall the plans of Al Hubbard and Humphry Osmond to
    make the world a better, more peaceful place with the
    application of psychedelic chemical therapy to certain hand-
    picked politicians, and their claims of some success. All this
    quite a few years before Mary Meyer's similar campaign: was it a
    case of like thinking evolving from acid insight happening in
    two different places and times, or was Mary Meyer possibly
    acting as an agent for Hubbard and Osmond, or someone who was
    their direct agent? Consider the Leary connection to Mary Meyer
    in light of his connections to Hubbard, Osmond, and Aldous
    Huxley. Consider Hubbard's career as an undercover agent for
    various government agencies and defense related industries,
    including his connection to the CIA. Consider his later career
    spent fighting against the youth counter-culture that one would
    otherwise think he would have been proud of as being the fruit
    of his labors. Then consider Mary Meyer herself, estranged wife
    of one of the CIA's seminal top operatives, and her affair with
    a president who developed a mutual distrust for the CIA, a
    president who swore he would shatter the CIA into a thousand
    pieces and scatter the remnants to the wind. A president
    believed by many to have been assassinated by that same CIA.
    Consider the CIA sex and drugs safehouse experiments conducted
    by George Hunter White. Consider the proposed use of LSD as a
    means of discrediting foreign leaders. Consider the list of
    substances developed by the CIA, or attempted to be developed by
    the CIA listed above.

    Now consider this: was John F. Kennedy, president of the United
    States, the ultimate MK-ULTRA guinea pig? Was Mary Pinchot
    Meyer playing some sort of clandestine game, was she some sort
    of Mata Hari? Or was she perhaps unwittingly being used by
    someone in that capacity?

    After all, if we can seriously consider a CIA ready, willing,
    and able to assassinate a president they came to see as a threat
    or a traitor, why not a CIA willing to dose a president with LSD
    and study him as a test subject? What other world leader could
    they try their theories out on while observing him in closely
    monitored, intimate situations?

    Still too absurd to consider? Probably. I hesitate to even put
    it on paper myself. But that isn't even the most bizarre
    possible theory...

    While LSD is not guaranteed to permanently alter the thought
    processes of those who experience it, despite the frequent
    claims to the contrary often made during the 1960s, it certainly
    will give those individuals possessed of some intelligence and
    discernment a lot to think about. During the time period when
    CIA agents were furthering the scientific testing of LSD by
    dosing each other without warning, most agents had their already
    well-entrenched paranoid worldviews reinforced: to them, LSD was
    a nightmare experience, one to be avoided at all costs. But to
    some it was truly a revelation. One agent, after coming down
    from the peak of a trip, broke down and wept in front of his
    fellow spooks.

    "I didn't want to leave it. I felt I would be going back to a
    place where I wouldn't be able to hold onto this kind of beauty.
    I felt very unhappy. The people who wrote the report on me
    said I had experienced depression, but they didn't understand
    why I felt so bad. They thought I had had a bad trip." (173)

    He was lucky they didn't slap a straight jacket on him and cart
    him away for good!

    Another operative who came away from his trip without the usual
    paranoid residue common to spooks on dope had found himself with
    "A more global view of things. I found it awfully hard when
    stoned to maintain the notion: I am a US citizen- my country
    right or wrong ... You tend to have these good higher feelings.
    You are more open to the brotherhood-of-man idea and more
    susceptible to the seamy sides of your own society...I think
    this is exactly what happened during the 1960s, but it didn't
    make people more communist. It just made them less inclined to
    identify with the US. They took a plague on both your houses
    position." (174)

    Certainly, this is a self-defeating philosophy for a spy to
    adopt. Did such experiences tempt any CIA agents to chuck it
    all, or to stay only to subvert from within? It's a farfetched
    speculation, with little evidence to support it. While there
    were several notable CIA renegades who would come to public
    knowledge with horrible tales to relate of their activities as
    covert operators, such men as Phillip Agee, John Stockwell,
    Ralph McGeehee, George O'Toole, and David MacMichael seem to
    have been impelled more by the resolution of their own troubled
    moral dilemmas than by psychedelic insight.

    However, one obscure theory, most likely, implausible yet
    fascinating, comes from Lawrence Livermore, North California
    punk rock luminary best known for his column in punkzine Maximum
    Rock 'n Roll. Livermore claims to have once met a fellow who
    claimed to be the son of "a high level CIA operative who had
    inside knowledge of the Kennedy assassination" which he
    described as "a power struggle between the liberal and
    reactionary wings of the CIA." This fellow ran away from home,
    went to the Haight-Ashbury and blew his mind on ... well, you
    know what by now (as well as the irony of the situation ... ),
    but by the time Livermore met him, he was "in the process of
    drinking himself to death." The gist of this wretched fellow's
    tale was that:

    "Within the CIA there were good and evil factions, and when the
    bad group ("the dark ones"...) threatened to gain complete power
    via the Kennedy assassination and the escalation of the Vietnam
    war and its related heroin trade, the CIA's white knights struck
    back with LSD." (175)

    It should be noted that Livermore's informant wove a tale that
    "tied together Tibetan monks, Hitlerian mystics, secret
    brotherhoods dating back to the days of Atlantis, and the
    manipulation of white and black magic in the name of saving or
    enslaving the human race, and would hiss at the televised image
    of Henry Kissinger and say, "He's one of them..look at his eyes."

    It's hard enough to believe merely when it's a tale of black and
    white "knights" of the CIA jousting over control of the nation
    and the minds of the human race, when the other elements are
    added to it, it sounds more like an episode of the continuing
    saga of Indiana Jones, or maybe one of Trevor Ravenscroft's
    satanic fantasies.

    Livermore himself gives the impression that he finds the story
    "far-fetched-sounding, yes, but minus the quasimystical
    elements, by no means preposterous." (177) Could it have been
    possible that some faction of CIA agents, their typical cold war
    super-patriot minds blown by acid, indeed flooded the country
    with LSD, not as part of some plot to forestall change or stifle
    rebellion, but to encourage it, especially in the aftermath of
    Kennedy's assassination by their dark counterparts within the
    agency? It would not be entirely improbable, if we remember
    Captain Al Hubbard and his plans to foster world peace by
    turning on world leaders even before Mary Meyer. And if Kennedy
    and Mary Meyer were pursuing an acid dalliance, with crucial
    repercussions for foreign policy, would it be too hard to
    believe that possibly it was due to the influence of somebody or
    something else, some self-appointed clique of mystic
    manipulators, perhaps, denizens of the clandestine world and
    adepts of its covert activities yet ultimately rejecting the
    goals of that world, running their own program and agenda
    beneath the cover of something much more banally insidious, like
    the CIA's MK-ULTRA program?

    Well, it would make a good novel anyway...


    171) Project MK-ULTRA- The CIA's Program of Research in
    Behavioral Modification, Washington, DC, Government Printing
    Office, August 31, 1977, pp. 123-25, as cited in Ranelagh, pp.
    777-78, n27

    172) Lee & Shlain. p. 35; Lee, Ranftel, & Cohen. p. 20

    173) Marks, p. 75

    174) ibid

    175) Livermore, Lawrence (pseudonym of Larry Hayes), "Whatever
    Happened to the Psychedelic Revolution? LSD in the Eighties",
    Burning Toddlers #2, January 1988, pp. 15-18, Frank Publications,
    PO Box 56942, Phoenix, AZ 85079

    176) ibid

    177) ibid

    Excerpted from Part Four of the series:
    "The High and the Mighty: JFK, MPM, LSD and the CIA"
    copyright 1995 by G. J. Krupey

    Which appeared in:
    Steamshovel Press #12
    ISSN 10602-3795
    POB 23715, St. Louis, MO 63121

    Research on Mary Pinchot Meyer, her alleged acid circle, her
    murder and any subsequent cover-up continues at Steamshovel
    Press, which is currently following several interesting leads in
    this regard. Contact editor Kenn Thomas or author G.J. Krupey
    at Steamshovel's address if you have any information or
    additional leads on the topic. Confidentiality assured to,
    those who request it.
  5. graffsurgeon

    graffsurgeon Banned

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    old news..
  6. tue skinny

    tue skinny Elite Member

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    wheres the new news then?
  7. graffsurgeon

    graffsurgeon Banned

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    a beam of light is going to come through the layers of the sky and split apart the earth..
  8. tue skinny

    tue skinny Elite Member

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  9. graffsurgeon

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    never seen it.
  10. me IS cool

    me IS cool Guest

    "I am your master now. Obey me and I may forgive on you... but then again maybe not....."
  11. tue skinny

    tue skinny Elite Member

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  12. me IS cool

    me IS cool Guest

    I know. But it's sunday and today's my lazy day so screw it. Today I give no meaningful responses just retarded ones. :p
  13. tue skinny

    tue skinny Elite Member

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    yah i was once like that. i think i still am. but im sick today. so im not acting that stupid. and posting retarded shit.
  14. graffsurgeon

    graffsurgeon Banned

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    i've got the butcher knife to take your fucking life..
  15. tue skinny

    tue skinny Elite Member

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    me i hope not.