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are our soldiers fighting the 'war on terror' really heroes?

Discussion in 'News' started by patrickjilbert, Feb 23, 2002.

  1. patrickjilbert

    patrickjilbert Member

    Joined: Sep 7, 2001 Messages: 563 Likes Received: 0
    Spin of the Week
    PR Watch, February 22, 2002
    It was a big week for the American propaganda juggernaut. In Hollywood, blockbuster producer Jerry Bruckheimer got the green light to create a "reality" show featuring American soldiers battling for freedom across the globe. Back at the Pentagon, Rumsfield defended the announcement of a new Defense Dept. office dedicated to, among other things, planting pro-American news stories overseas - stories, that is, which may or may not be true.

    Pentagon & Disney/ABC Turn War Into Gung Ho TV Entertainment
    "The Pentagon is giving two Hollywood producers access to troops in Afghanistan and around the world to promote its war effort through television's genre of the moment, the reality series. The result is expected to be a 13-part series shown in prime time by ABC entertainment division this year. The producers - Jerry Bruckheimer, who produced the movies "Black Hawk Down' and 'Pearl Harbor,' and Bertram van Munster, whose credits include the reality series ... 'Cops' - intend to tell the 'compelling personal stories of the U.S. military men and women who bear the burden of this fighting,' according to an ABC news release. ... A senior ABC executive who declined to be identified said yesterday that the network's news division complained to top officials at its parent company, Walt Disney, several weeks ago about entertainment producers' handling a documentary series about the war for the network. These complaints, the executive said, were rebuffed."

    i was reading an article on Guerilla News (see above for part of the article) and was thinking about this - can we really consider our soldiers heroes?

    almost every single person who is in the military right now, whether at home or overseas, did so by choice. it's their job. they were fully aware of the consequences. and much of the 'fighting' against the ill-equipped enemy is done by bombing and missles. they're not getting shot at.

    and is fighting this 'war on terror' (which might be better translated into 'the war on whoever doesn't give us our way') a heroic thing? is it heroic to do whatever your government tells you without question? one might say yes, but think about it. doesn't sound too democratic to me, but hey it's the military so it doesn't matter...

    i believe that fighting against the nazis and british was great (although i know ww2 wasn't perfect). we got rid of racist maniacs and gained our independence. all sounds great. the 'war on terror' seems too misguided to me. there are way too many other motives and way too much money to be made by this bullshit.

    and if there is so much of a need to try to desperatley force our 'good' image on the world, was it that great to begin with?

    i don't know. i'm just getting into trying to understand what is going on. any comments on anything or talk would be nice.
  2. boxcarwilly

    boxcarwilly Senior Member

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    i definately agree that we cannot consider this mindless war heroic, stories of heroism are abound in the women who crouched in mud huts teaching school girls who were never supposed to learn to read how to. and what we bomb them now, we impose our beliefs and governmental policies on a culture we can never ever hope to understand, much like they cannot understand the gross materialism and inhumanity of the US. from the beginning ofscapegoating and blaming in this game, the US wants to come out on top... look who has the most Olympic medals so far, look who was the "hero" in death when he was interrogating a person who believed so strongly in his God that he would die for Allah. this country is on fire and the only water we have is words right now...

    i fully believe if you commit to the armed forces you have to be willing to die, if you didnt why would you hold a gun... it is bullshit the US soldiers over there are no more heroic than any murderer...

    rant done.
  3. patrickjilbert

    patrickjilbert Member

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    well put

    (i should have been heroic and emailed you and beardo about skating today)
  4. beardo

    beardo Guest

    i was heroic today by not crying when i twisted my ankle.

    it was fine 5 minutes later.
  5. patrickjilbert

    patrickjilbert Member

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    i was gonna come back to skate, but i think the police cleared out love park. i was gonna show you my new master p doll. when you squeeze him he says:

    " UUUUUGHHH! na na na na! "

    oh well.
  6. ardenchapman

    ardenchapman New Jack

    Joined: Nov 14, 2001 Messages: 99 Likes Received: 0
    hero's for what?
    killing innocent families, and crashing their own stupid helicopters?
    or fighting to keep americas SUV's running?
  7. Agent Uprise

    Agent Uprise New Jack

    Joined: Feb 17, 2002 Messages: 70 Likes Received: 0
    Bill Maher (sp?) the host of Politicly Uncorrect got mad heat for saying that shit. His point was who the coward, the motherfucker who flies himself into a building or the person who sits in a warm command center miles from the conflict and shoots off bombs.
  8. ?!?!

    ?!?! Guest

    you know i understand how you guys take the stand you do against our war efforts and all. i mean im no joe fact i dont know it all but i do know that yes they may be fucking over other countrys, but look at how we get to live. so one some guy gets pulled over and gets a ticket becuase hes black or you get busted for skateboarding by the cops. wah wah sure those are all bad but i mean we could all be slaves living in huts and all that bullshit. and at the same tim ei know if america stopped doing fucked up shit to other coutries we wouldnt fall to that level of poverty but still. if you dont like the way the country is being ran then move to pakistan. see if your like their politics any better. if they dont suit you move on over to iran. see if your more comforatable with their laws.

    and really i dont care about it all, think what you want, but like most of my post. im just bored.
  9. NoamChomsky

    NoamChomsky Guest

    If i remember right,what Bill Maher said was that U.S. policy makers were the cowards for not taking action sooner.People thought he was calling the soldiers cowards but he just meant the politicians. Dont be misled,there is plenty of fighting still going on.Delta Force and the Special Air Service commandos get shot at plenty.I dont agree with this war but like Vietnam,there are still acts of individual heroism which deserve respect.
  10. Xeroshoes

    Xeroshoes Senior Member

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    Haha, that's classic. Fuck SUVs......
  11. serum

    serum Elite Member

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    i was going to go to korea recently because the price, which was already the cheapest flight in asia, has dropped to approx $120. round trip. but then that dumb bastard has to start shit with north korea so with the south koreans rioting burning flags i'm afraid they might want to burn a white boy. i love china too so i figure if i ever want to see it before WWIII i'm going to have to go there soon. also bush came to japan and didnt throw up so he feels it was a success. i think me leaving america was the smartest thing i've ever done in my life. my family are fucking wierdos ever since the sep.11th thing. talking about killing muslims and shit. then some fucking pervert was staring at my girlfriend last night and i said what the fuck are you looking at bitch. and he says i'm from brazil i'm not a muslim. yeah? i give a fuck. blow up your tvs now.
  12. Pistol

    Pistol Dirty Dozen Crew

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    Heroes for killing innocent families? Please. All these people talking about the US killing innocent families yet when you talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict you want to call these Palestinian Suicide bombers, bombing shopping malls , Revolutionaries and freedom fighters. You mean these "innocent families" pointing guns at us?
  13. patrickjilbert

    patrickjilbert Member

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    i think palestinians are freedom fighters totally. but that is a whole different topic.
  14. I Luv Roo

    I Luv Roo Member

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    The term Hero has been way over used and abused in the last six months. Anyone at all involved in this post sept 11 war has been deemed a hero.

    On the other side however, I would rather pay more respect to the privates, pleebs and soldiers who are just people like you and me. Maybe they're not "hero's" persay, but they get some props for being soldiers, and doing this stuff without question. They aren't the war mongers or the fat cats who are responsible, but they are doing what they feel is what they can do to earn a living and maybe get and education with the GI bill. Most people join the army because they don't have a very decent income and want to take advantage of the few perks the armed forces offer....and I think alot of them hope that a big war doesn't start. My cousin joined up long enough ago that she got out before any of this happened and she thanks her lucky stars for it. She's not a gun toting nut, or a murderous fiend - just regular folk.
  15. patrickjilbert

    patrickjilbert Member

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    good point.

    i just find it hard to have a great deal of respect for one who does whatever the government says without question.