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America - A Fascist State In Hiding

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by Dr. Dazzle, Sep 6, 2003.

  1. Dr. Dazzle

    Dr. Dazzle Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 8,147 Likes Received: 3
    14 Characteristics of Fascism

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos,
    slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen
    everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
    fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
    certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other
    way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations,
    long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. TOP

    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need
    to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or
    religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,
    etc. TOP

    4. Supremacy of the Military -
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is
    given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the
    domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are
    glamorized. TOP

    5. Rampant Sexism -
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-
    dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made
    more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homo-sexuality are suppressed and
    the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family
    institution. TOP

    6. Controlled Mass Media -
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in
    other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government
    regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
    Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. TOP

    7. Obsession with National Security -
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the
    masses. TOP

    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion
    in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious
    rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when
    the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
    government's policies or actions. TOP

    9. Corporate Power is Protected -
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are
    the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a
    mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a
    fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or
    are severely suppressed. TOP

    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher
    education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
    academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the
    arts and letters is openly attacked. TOP

    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to
    enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses
    and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is
    often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
    fascist nations.

    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and
    associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
    governmental power and authority to protect their friends from
    accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
    resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
    stolen by government leaders. TOP

    14. Fraudulent Elections -
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other
    times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
    assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control
    voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of
    the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to
    manipulate or control elections.


    So by my count I get 13. Very interesting. Discuss.......
  2. GucciCondom

    GucciCondom Veteran Member

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    CRAMPS Senior Member

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    i have my rights to call you a raspscalion!

    yes....i went there:lol:
  4. Dr. Dazzle

    Dr. Dazzle Veteran Member

    Joined: Nov 19, 2001 Messages: 8,147 Likes Received: 3
    As a matter of fact I do. At least I'd like to :(
  5. the_gooch

    the_gooch 12oz Loyalist

    Joined: May 15, 2002 Messages: 11,566 Likes Received: 431
    those descriptions are pretty on point for the U.S.A
  6. rip

    rip Elite Member

    Joined: Nov 10, 2001 Messages: 2,667 Likes Received: 0
    ok so pretty much what your trying to say is

    get rid of the military, not be patraotic(sp*), and let terrorist acts go un-punished? i didnt even bother to read the rest.
  7. chicken bone

    chicken bone Guest

    I counted 13 as well.. Pretty on fucking point.
  8. Sickboy

    Sickboy Member

    Joined: Mar 3, 2003 Messages: 436 Likes Received: 0
    The U.S. Military has commited terrorist like acts to lots of countries within the past 50 years. Maybe we should punish our military. I'd be ok with that. If you want facts I'd be glad to send you my social/political painting on this subject. You would have to pay me though.
  9. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

    Joined: Jun 27, 2003 Messages: 2,128 Likes Received: 66
    These exact same 14 characteristics

    ...with slight alterations are true of Communist and Socialist nations as well. In fact, any totalitarian government will attempt to create an environment where this is true, but you and the good professor left out my favorite and most important characteristic---fascistic nations ALWAYS DISARM THE POPULATION, and they start by disarming the sector that has been designated as the "duty scapegoat." Of course, who could disagree with disarming dangerous Fifth Columnists here in the U.S. who might use their easy access to "assault rifles," "military/police shotguns," "sniper rifles," etc. to attack important government figures?

    You will never have fascism here, as long as the people are armed.

    If you want to look for totalitarian governments, look for them someplace where armed civilians don't outnumber the Army and police EIGHT TO ONE. I have a few suggestions.

    Fascism is likely to be found anywhere there is a so-called "socialist" form of government. Mussolini started out as a Socialist. So did Hitler--the English translation of the German acronym for the "Nazi" party is NSDAP---the "German National Socialist Worker's Party." Almost all fascistic parties promise the working class the moon and stars, but they always deliver the same thing: GENOCIDE. And it is only possible because the sheep turn in their rifles.

    Every Jew in America (as far as that goes, every Jew everywhere) should own a gun safe FULL of assault rifles and a huge stockpile of ammunition. So should every black person, every Latino, every gypsy, every hillbilly, every woman and so on and so forth. Fascism cannot prevail if the PEOPLE ARE ARMED AND DETERMINED TO RESIST. In addition to being armed, people should school themselves in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the laws, and let their legislators know how they feel and what they want.

    I do not believe (any longer) in socialism of any kind. We'd be a lot better off if we lived in much more Libertarian type of society. Frankly, I could not care less if people want to use dope, drink themselves into a stupor, screw anybody and everybody that wants to screw, gamble all day and night, hold cockfights and dogfights, eat horse meat, carry guns around like the Old West, abort their children, drive shitty, polluter cars, cut down the friggin' Rain Forest and everything else. I think that all these people that are running around trying to "save" everything have got one thing and one thing only in mind--POWER. Not just power over themselves, but POWER OVER ME AND YOU. They are no different than the same sonsabitches that want power via the Homeland Security Department, or people who believe in Churchianity. All the anti-gun people, and the anti-dope people, all the abolitionists of every stripe all want one single thing--POWER. Power to compell us to live the way they think we ought to live.

    I've got no problem with fundamentalist Christians. I know quite a few, and they are good, honest people, but many of them are misguided. Instead of being content to live out their own lives according to God's Rules, they wish to impose these rules on others. That is wrong.

    I have no problem with feminists. I know quite a few (actually, I'm married to one) and they are generally good, honest people, but many of them are misguided. Instead of being content to live out their own lives according to their own beliefs, they want to impose their values and rules on the rest of society. That is wrong.

    I have no problem with environmentalists...well, I'll spare you. Read the paragraphs above. Persuasion is acceptable. Compulsion is not.

    Texas used to be almost 100% Democratic. Today, exactly the reverse is true. The Democratic Party was once entrenched in the South so deep that many Southerners had never voted for a Republican. Not so, any more. This is not the sort of country that can be overwhelmed by fascism. We are too insistent that we may be governed , but we will never be ruled. And, equally as important, we civilians own 270 million firearms. And we will not be dictated to.
  10. stylus1

    stylus1 Junior Member

    Joined: Jun 20, 2003 Messages: 222 Likes Received: 0
    I strongly support the foundations for which this thread may be attacking, I love America we live in a place where we can do drugs, get drunk and fuck stupid random sluts :hatred:
  11. KaBar2

    KaBar2 Senior Member

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    Fuckin'-aye. That's the spirit.
  12. Smart

    Smart Dirty Dozen Crew

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  13. Dick Quickwood

    Dick Quickwood 12oz Loyalist

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    cue: AC/DC-shot down in flames
  14. metallix

    metallix Elite Member

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  15. metallix

    metallix Elite Member

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    just some things to think about?