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Al-Qaida Leader Believed To Be Surrounded (2nd to Osama)

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by TheoHuxtable, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. TheoHuxtable

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    Al-Qaida Leader Believed To Be Surrounded (2nd to Osama)

    Discussion started by TheoHuxtable - Mar 18, 2004

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistani forces believe they have cornered and perhaps wounded Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, in a battle near the Afghan border, three senior Pakistani officials said Thursday, the first major break in the world's most intense manhunt in more than a year.

    Hundreds of troops and paramilitary rangers pounded several fortress-like mud-brick compounds with artillery and fired on them from helicopter gunships, as entrenched suspects fought back hard in the mountainous region. An intelligence official said "dozens" were killed Thursday.

    The officials told The Associated Press that intelligence indicated the forces had surrounded the Egyptian-born al-Zawahri in an operation that began Tuesday in South Waziristan, a semi-autonomous tribal belt long believed the most likely hiding place for the top two al-Qaida leaders.

    There was no indication bin Laden was with al-Zawahri. However, the two have traveled together in the past, and bin Laden and al-Zawahri appeared jointly in video tapes released shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

    The United States has offered a $25 million reward for information leading to al-Zawahri's capture. On Thursday, the U.S. House of Representatives doubled the reward for bin Laden's capture to $50 million.

    "We have been receiving intelligence and information from our agents who are working in the tribal areas that al-Zawahri could be among the people hiding there," a Pakistani military official said. "All of our efforts are to capture him."

    An intelligence official and a senior politician in President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's government both confirmed the account. All spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The intelligence official said information was also coming from some of the 18 suspects arrested during Thursday's operation. Some said during interrogation that al-Zawahri was wounded in the raid, the official said. Officials said helicopter gunships and artillery would continue attacking at dawn Friday.

    Musharraf told CNN that he'd spoken with the commander of Pakistani troops in the region. He said the commander reported "fierce resistance" from a group of fighters entrenched in fortress-like buildings, and that there were indications a senior figure was surrounded.

    "He's reasonably sure there's a high-value target there," Musharraf said. "They are not coming out in spite of the fact that we pounded them with artillery."


    The news came the same day as Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) announced in the capital, Islamabad, that Washington was bestowing the status of "major non-NATO (news - web sites) ally" on Pakistan, and praised the country for its help in the war on terror.

    National security adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) told CNN she could not confirm the reports.

    But, she said, if al-Zawahri were captured, "it would be of course a major step forward in the war on terrorism, because he's obviously an extremely important figure. But I think we have to be careful not to assume that getting one al-Qaida leader is going to break up the organization."

    The 52-year-old former Egyptian surgeon is believed to be the brains behind the terror network, with bin Laden serving more as spiritual leader and financial backer.

    Often seen by bin Laden's side in videos released to Arab television networks, the doctor was also thought to serve as al-Qaida leader's personal physician.

    Al-Zawahri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad was believed behind the assassination of President Anwar Sadat during a Cairo military parade in 1981. He merged the organization with al-Qaida in 1998.

    Al-Zawahri has continued to spread his message since the Sept. 11 attacks in audiotapes, the latest broadcast on Feb. 24, in which he taunted President Bush (news - web sites) and threatened more attacks on the United States. Another tape criticized France's decision to ban Islamic headscarves in schools.

    Under pressure from Washington, Pakistan has arrested more than 500 al-Qaida suspects and has turned most over to the United States. The last major capture was that of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the former al-Qaida No. 3, who was nabbed on March 1, 2003, in a house near the capital and quickly delivered to U.S. custody. He is being held at an undisclosed location.

    The Pakistani military has been pursuing 100 tribal leaders whom authorities want to roll into their efforts to hunt al-Qaida in the Waziristan frontier. So far, about two-thirds have said they would provide information and turn over any Islamic militants in their territories, American defense officials said.

    The others face destruction of their homes by the Pakistani military, officials said.

    There have been several anti-terror sweeps in the tribal regions in recent months, but none so bloody as the operation that began Tuesday. Pakistani troops have moved 70,000 troops into the border region, and Musharraf on Monday promised to rid the tribal areas of foreign terrorists.

    At least 41 people — 15 soldiers and 26 suspected militants — were killed Tuesday in fighting in the area. The military said Thursday that most of those killed were foreigners, but it did not give their nationalities and acknowledged that only two bodies had been recovered. The two dead included a Chechen and someone of Middle Eastern origin, a military official said on condition of anonymity.

    U.S. officials say they are watching to see if the Pakistani actions send militants back into Afghanistan (news - web sites), where U.S. troops operate freely. The U.S. military on Sunday announced the start of a new operation to track down senior al-Qaida and Taliban fugitives.

    Afghan officials told AP they were closely monitoring the Pakistani operation.

    "We are hopeful operations being carried out in border regions will yield some desirable results," said Afghan Foreign Ministry spokesman Omar Samad. "If a well known figure is part of these captures ... the world will be a safer place."

    Thursday's raid concentrated on three South Waziristan towns — Azam Warsak, Shin Warsak and Kaloosha. Early morning calls from mosques warned residents to leave the area, apparently to give the troops more room to operate.

    Powell, who left the country hours before the news broke, also said he believed there was evidence that bin Laden is hiding in the rugged border area.

    "No one has seen him, so how can one be sure?" Powell told Geo TV. "But he has certainly given evidence that he is alive and active. But we can't be sure.

    "And if he is alive and active, and the evidence suggests that he is, and if he is in the area of the Pakistan-Afghan border, that's a very difficult area to find someone who doesn't want to be found."
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    !@#$% - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    sure he's surrounded....by rocks. and mountains. and shit.
     
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    Abracadabra - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    the war on terrorism is all but won!











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    gfreshsushi - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    it's kinda funny that most of the world has already forgotten about afghanistan. i wonder how long it would take before everybody forgot about bin laden.
     
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    villain - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    Yeah it's wild how short our microwave baby, mtv generation, instant gratification attention spans can be.

    But it's getting close to election time and this WOULD be a tremendous political victory for Bush. This must be the rumors I've been hearing about. I'm surprised their still in the afghan-pakistan region myself. Maybe they've been waiting for us to forget about them so they can take over afghanistan again.
     
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    Dick Quickwood - Replied Mar 18, 2004


    speaking of terrorism
     
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    ERIZENO - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    i have been saying for several months that i think we will pop up with Bin Laden in custody just in time for Bush to reap the benifit come election time. my only question on it is how close to the election 6 months ... not enough time, he would be bound to fuck up somehow to drop his ratings for election time, 2 months seems a bit more on the real ... its far enough out to generate a lot of aproval points and not give him time to fuck it up again.

    thats been my view for a bit now. we will just have to see how it plays out.

    if we come up with him ... im gonna say its bullshit and we have been holding onto him just for the election!!!!
     
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    BROWNer - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    i'll truly be surprised if bin laden is caught. especially with
    the help of the pakistani's. that would be somethin'.........

    who wired $100g's to atta before 9/11 then resigned...and
    just happened to be chillin' with tenet mere days before 9/11?
    the us/pak relationship is quite interesting.
     
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    LaCosaNostra - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    How ironic...

    I'm listening to Mr. Lif- Home of the Brave right now; if you don't have it, get it!
     
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    cmeup - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    down with fucking al queda!

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    ElectricitySucks - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    we already caught osama. the US is going to tell all of america that we have him sooner or later before the election. people get all "ohhhh yaaaayy," and bush will be elected again. the US will let out bits of information leading to his "capture" right until, bam! the time is right and we "catch" osama.



    politics.
     
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    ClueTwo - Replied Mar 18, 2004

    http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v15/Cluetwo/12oz/abc_bush_020129_nh.jpg'>

    "How Ironic.."-Dubya...
     
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    Dr. EZ - Replied Mar 19, 2004

    If anyone rembers back in the early 90's, around 91-92 there were intelligence reports from the FBI and CIA stating that Osama was on dialisis. Chances of him still being alive now over 10 years later are rather slim , not to mention the fact that we have hundreds of troops "hunting " him down. george BUSH jr. and his daddy, DICK cheney, etc. are just a bunch of very rich white Oil man with hidden motives and a media system feeding the mass's with more bull shit then I care to swallow. I wander what really happend 9/11, one thing I know is the fact that bush was a failing president but after 9/11 things really turned around for bush , Now that election time is nearing its time to capture americas "biggest Threat"...
    many other disturbing facts can be found through out the Bush take over and go way back to daddys early days and even farther back then that . But ive wasted enough time rambling about the Rulers of The Free World besides if youve read this far you probaly all ready had a clue

    PLEASE IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE DO IT (I know the system is fucked up but it is all with got )

    DONT IT THE SHIT THEY FEED YOU

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    Fr8fiend - Replied Mar 19, 2004

    No Big Deal

    This sudden Osama hoopla is a joke. Even if the Pakistanis find him what difference would it make. The Bush administration has already proven that they don't give a shit about our security. By forcing us into this needless war on Iraq, which of course allowed Osama to go on the back burner, they displayed their utmost priorities, oil and religious domination. Americans are smart enough to realize that this recent refocus on Osama, right before the elections, is nothing but a political ploy by the republicans. If he is found, you will see all the republican cheerleaders in all the newspapers and on all the cable channels, especially the pathetic, ultra-biased republican fox news channel, TELLING us what a great day it is and how great Bush is. But that is exactly what it is, they are TELLING us what to think and what to believe, as they have been all along. They are not allowing us to make our own judgements or form our own opinions. Mind-control. Bombarding us over and over with propaganda until many of us actually believe it. Just because something is said on tv doesn't mean it is gospel.
    A few suggestions for some real news and information, where we are allowed to hear the whole story behind issues and events are--------
    Truthout.org
    DemocracyNow.org
    Commondreams.org
    free speech tv channel on dish network
    The Nation magazine
     
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