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a vague valentines day story

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by jah, Feb 14, 2002.

  1. jah

    jah Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 2,705 Likes Received: 2
    i dont know much about the details but my dad was tellin me that somehow hallmark fabricated valentines day as a business strategy to sell more cards. ive never heard this from anyones else but my dads a pretty educated guy so..... thats kinda fucked up huh?
  2. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    he's educated in the ways of the conspiracy theory.
    There's some truth that more importance is placed on
    this sappy day because of the gift industry.

    here's another one for you to ponder...
    --For hundredes of years, Rubies were the 'marrige' stone.
    Then DeBoers went and created the notion that a 'diamond is forever'.
    So thanks to some dutch propaganda, we've got to shell out thousands
    for a precious stone that relates directly to slavery and oppression.
  3. jah

    jah Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 2,705 Likes Received: 2
    first off id appreciate it if u didnt talk shit since u dont know me or my family at all. i didnt know that about hte marriage stone. ur on point tho. its funny how the dutch are renouned for being hella liberal and humane and all that when they were some of hte biggest slave exploiters ever. way bigger than the US or Britain. they sold most of the slaves to america way back in the day and have pretty much been fuckin tyrants since the beginning of history. but since they let people smoke weed its all good.
  4. bobobi11

    bobobi11 Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 15, 2000 Messages: 2,807 Likes Received: 0
    How was he talking shit? He said he was educated in conspiracy theory. Nothing else. It's not like he said your dad is a shithead paranoid conspiracy crazed homo. Lighten up.
  5. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    sorry 'bout that...
    I wasn't talking shit about your family.
    You said "my dads a pretty educated guy " . Sure fine.
    My comment was about the theory, not about him. s'ok then?

    And I think were on the same point here.
    The big companies convince us that we need to buy buy buy.
    But to claim that your product is "the stone of Love"...
    baahh! Anything to sell the product.

    and it's very sad to think about it,
    but the history of international trade
    is based on the selling of
    • Stolen Land
    • Slaves
    • Diamonds
    • Weapons
    • Tobacco
    • Opium (the opium wars!)
    • Oil and Petrol

    all things with serious negative connections.
  6. jah

    jah Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 2,705 Likes Received: 2
    no prob. i dont know why that bothered me really. i guess its just my mood. first day of quitting smokin and all. were on the same page tho for sure. im pretty sure the reason weeds illegal in the united states is because of the tobacco industries influence because even all the presidents had crops until sometime in the early 20th centurey when tobacco took over. shit pisses me off. shit like that is the reason we got bombed. i hate to say it (in no way do i support bin laden or the al qaeda or anything and i hope theyre strung up for what they did) but i understand why bin laden bombed us. and he did have a rational reason. more reason than weve had to go in and bomb madd countries. the united states are the biggest terrorists in the world, period. we give israel tons of weapons and equipment which they use to keep the palestinians in camps. thats something i ddnt know til i came to europe. i always knew that the US backed the israelis in their "Holy" War but i didnt know that we supported them in keeping palestinians in fuckin camps. no one is allowed to leave these camps without permission from israel. and when theres a bombing or attack, the boarders are closed and no one can pass. that means all the palestinians who work or go to school or whatever across those boarders cant do the shit they need to do. and u know theyre not treated right in the camps.

    "the nazis didnt lose the war, they just had to move." guess where they moved to people. the united states.
  7. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest


    the reason why weed/hemp is still Illegal is very simple.

    The rich textile merchants (former slave owners)
    The rish tobacco companies (legal drug pushers)
    The alcohol industry (former bootleggers and rum runners)
    all have very powerful lobby groups and give "massive donations" to the govermnent.

    Here's another theory for you...(about the WTC and all)

    So there's a massive oil pipeline being built in Afghanistan.
    There's two companies that want to build it and controll the profits.
    One is owned by the Bush (as in George) family. The other company
    is from Argentina. The pipeline is going to supply Rushia with oil.
    Do you see the begining of something odd ?
    So thanks to the US, the Entire Nation of Argentina goes broke.
    Russia will now be in huge debt to the US for the Oil.
    Afghanistan wont see any of the profits from the pipeline.
    Bush's company was working with the Taliban, but now has it's own puppet government in power.

    I'll leave the conclusions up to you,
    but the facts are starting to add up to something.
  8. DeBeers has no corporate offices in the US
    you know why?
    so they dont have to deal with US monoploy laws, amongst other restrictions and laws...
    about 98% of the world's diamonds originate from debeers
  9. jah

    jah Elite Member

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    i heard about that pipeling building thing in afghanistan. i knew this whole shit was over oil predominately. u just tied all the details together for me tho. i knew bush hit the taliban off with madd weapons and funding to get russia out but i didnt know the exact reason. i justhought it was because russia is our arch enemy. and the whole "war on terrorism" thing was just an excuse to take afghanistan and build pipes. it wasnt necessary to declair a full on war. al they needed was the ringleaders and the al qaeda. the taliban are pretty much freedom fighters (many of wich are from palestine). the united states has the technology and intelligence to go in and take the ringleaders and break up this organization without declaring a full on war in afghanistan. they did that to take control of the country, hence being able to build their pipes. theres some fucked up shit goin on with all this that people dont even know about. all they know is that bush is a hero. bush doesnt give a fuck about people dying. hes executed innocent people himself. id like it if he was shot by firing squad next to bin laden.
  10. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    and the way the diamond trade works now...

    every single stone has a human life attached to it.
    African men are killing each other to sell the stones to the Europeans.

    Think about that next time you hear Puffy/r.kelly/jay-z boasting about their 'ice'.
  11. jah

    jah Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 2,705 Likes Received: 2
    where u from zesto. and how u get all this info?
  12. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    I'm from Toronto. (hence the liberal attitude without the flag waving)

    I get most of my info from late night talk radio. (stop laughing!)

    There's no commercial sucess in AM talk radio if it isn't Sports or News,
    so you get a lot of real characters on there late at night. There's
    a bunch of conspiracy mongers, but there's also a heap of usefull facts.

    Make your own Conclusions.
  13. jah

    jah Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 2,705 Likes Received: 2
    im all for something in the media that isnt bullshit. i watch national geographic and pbs and bbc and all that shit and ive learned some crazy shit. hows toronto? i heard its tight but i havent heard enough about it to want to go there. hows the snow?
  14. --zeSto--

    --zeSto-- Guest

    haha.. dont believe the hype! (there's not that much snow.)
    The sidewalks and streets are all clear.

    Toronto's very progressive and liberal.
    Figure all the people who had to flee american prosecution (or the draft)
    came here. Plus there's huge art and music sceens.
    It's technically the most multi-cultural city in the entire world.
  15. jah

    jah Elite Member

    Joined: Dec 30, 2001 Messages: 2,705 Likes Received: 2
    sounds like a cool place tho. and i know for a fact that canada has more hot chicks than the US in proportion. im fuckin there.