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801!

Discussion in 'Channel Zero' started by theFUME, Dec 30, 2001.

  1. theFUME

    theFUME Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 6, 2001 Messages: 2,489 Likes Received: 1
    extacee

    aight no one would delet my 801 and im not one to start 2 topics in one day so im jus gunna edit it

    ok i ben smokin weed for like 6 months i could have did it sence like 7th grade but i never wanted to all my freinds my brother and my cusins did it and they always treid to get me to do it but it jus wasnt my thing up untill about 6 months ago. now its like second nature to spark a fatty.

    but back the subject about a week ago i was with a good freind and my cusin whom ive known all my life and we dicided to try E. im glad that i did it with them and not some crack head ppl i dont kno good. well the thing that scares me is that it was so great ive never been that happy in my life shit was great and i kno imma end up doin it again.

    well i jus want to kno if anyone else has treid it and whats the long term affects of it ?


    (insert knowledge here)


    ps. now dont the ppl who responded to801 look stupid :confused: :king:
     
  2. tunnel bum

    tunnel bum Guest

    hey quit coppyin tue skinny
     
  3. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26
    get a pill tester



    all info taken from www.erowid.com



    CONTRAINDICATIONS:

    Do not take MDMA if you are currently taking prescription MAOIs. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorix / Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). MDMA and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination.


    Avoid taking MDMA if you are currently using the protease inhibitor Ritonavir. This may be a life-threatening combination.


    Individuals with a history of heart ailments, high blood pressure, aneurism or stroke, glaucoma, hepatic (liver) or renal (kidney) disorders, or hypoglycemia may be at higher risk.


    Avoid other strong stimulants in combination with MDMA.


    MDMA use can exacerbate depression in some users and cause depressions with heavy or frequent use.


    MDMA use can cause severe crashes and hangovers in some users.


    Avoid high doses and frequent use. Over the last 15 years, many studies have shown that the higher the dose and more frequent the use, the worse the long term after-effects may be.


    A small percentage (1-10%) of the population are "slow metabolizers", who have low levels of a liver enzyme (P450 2D6) which metabolizes many drugs, including MDMA (as well as Prozac, DXM, and many other pharmaceuticals). These people are likely to be more sensitive to MDMA, may require lower doses, and should be very cautious.


    Overheating: MDMA use can lead to hyperthermia (overheating) especially in those who are exerting themselves for long periods of time. It is important for users to pay attention to their bodies and make sure they are drinking enough, but not too much, water.


    Hyponatremia / Water Intoxication: Some ecstasy users overreact to the water issue and obsessively over drink. When drinking large amounts of water its important to mix in sports drinks or salty snacks to avoid the very real dangers of hyponatremia (low salt), which can cause serious health problems including death. MDMA can cause changes in the body's diuretic hormone, leading to much higher susceptibility to hyponatremia.
    Neurotoxicity: Risk of long term changes to serotonin increases with dose and frequency of use. Controversial.

    PURITY ISSUES:
    One of the primary problems with MDMA is the low quality of the material sold on the street to recreational users. Tablets of street "ecstasy" frequently contain an assortment of psychoactive substances, either mixed with MDMA, or in place of it, or may contain no active ingredients at all. Other substances found in street ecstasy include MDA, MDE, PMA, caffeine, ephedrine, amphetamines, DXM, and occasionally DOB.

    Caffeine, ephedrine, and amphetamines will produce less empathic effects than MDMA with more stimulation and feelings of restlessness. MDA and MDE are both similar in effects to MDMA and it may be difficult for even experienced users to distinguish between them. MDE is slightly shorter in duration than MDMA and generally has a lower peak and less euphoria than MDMA. MDA lasts longer and generally produces more visuals and psychedelic effects than MDMA. The effects of DXM, which has become more common in street ecstasy, can be extremely unpleasant if you're not expecting them: strong disorientation, dizziness, nausea, grogginess or strong sedation, and at high enough doses, dissociation from the body.

    For further information on the contents of laboratory tested Ecstasy pills...see EcstasyData.org or Ecstasy.org.









    here's some advice on tripping, Xing and staying healthy gleaned from my 15 odd years of experience. No these aren't cast in concrete, yes you don't have to follow them exactly, but at 35 I'm still in good shape, hardly ever get sick and can still party all night. Something to think about. :)


    Frequency and dose - It really takes about a week for you to completely return to baseline after X or L. This means if you are doing it more often than that your body is being stressed, which lowers your immune system. Also, the higher the dose, the harder it is on your body. While X is easier mentally than L, it is much harder on the body. Doing just enough to get off will not only keep you healthy, it saves money too. :)


    Food - Both X and L surpress your appitite while increasing your level of activity. (X is worse because the surpression lasts longer than the trip.) This means that you are burning up your body's researve energy when you are dancing and not eating. When the body's reserves are gone, you then begin burning muscle tissue, this is bad. Of course, all of this adds to your physical stress levels and lowers your immune system. The bottom line is that you must force yourself to eat correctly before, during and after X or L. This is complicated by the fact that both X and L slow down the movment of your bowels, making it harder to digest food.

    Before a trip - eat fruits, vegitables and starches, avoid oils and heavy protiens, don't eat anything heavier than fruit an hour before dropping, especially if you are prone to nausia.
    During the trip - drink juice, eat simple starches (bread, crackers) and nibble fruit (eating food is much easier on X than L), set a schedule for eating and stick to it (remember, you won't feel hungry) avoid candy, pop and anything with alcohol or caffiene. (These may seem nice, but they do bad things to your blood sugar and hydration.)
    After the trip - eat fruits, vegitables and starches, avoid oils and heavy protiens, eat several small meals rather than trying to eat a few large ones, remember you won't *feel* hugery but your body needs the food.
    Take a good look at yourself, are you just skin and bone? If you are, up your calories from starches and good fats (esp. olive/canola and fish). Your body needs a slight layer of fat to stay healthy, men and women.

    Vitamins and herbs - Vitamins are NOT a replacment for eating right! However, when you stress your body vitamins can help keep any negative impact to a minimum. X in particular (especially when raving and drinking lots of water) removes water souluable vitamins from the body. Also, certain vitamins are used up a higher rates when you're understress or over exerting.
    Here are some of my favorites:


    A good multivitamin multimineral for the day after. (break it up to help digestion)
    2-3 grams of DLPA (DL-Phenylalanine) if I feel "bummed out" the day after.
    Melatonin 9-21 mg when I'm ready (and able) to sleep.
    60 mg CoEnzyme Q 10 (oxygenates the heart), .5 - 1 gm inositol and 3.5 gm l- orthine alpha ketoglutarate (keeps the cells in aerobic resperation), 2 gm time release pantothenic acid (maintains endurance and fights stress) I take these 1 or 2 hours before dropping.
    Vitamin C 1-4 grams as needed 3-4 times a day. Every time they study vitamin C they find it does more good stuff for ya. Pluses are: time release, neutralized with calcium, mixed with bioflaviniods.
    Herbs - This is a complex area with many conficting opinions. Some that I find useful:
    Reshie mushrooms - Proven to boost the immune system shitake and miatake mushrooms - contain "adaptogens" which help cope with stress
    Gensing - more adaptogens.
    Ginko - increases blood flow in the brain

    Respecting yourself between trips - learn to meditate and then practic it regularly. Take care of yourself, get some exercise, get some sunshine, get out in nature. Don't have your whole life revolve around just tripping and raving. Pay close attention to yourself and the world around you. Realize that what you see in life really depends on what you are looking for. Without any reason, do something good for yourself, a friend, a stranger and some one you don't like. (try to keep it simple and personal :) )
    Physically touch and be touched by people.
    Smile alot, laugh out loud.
     
  4. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26
  5. theFUME

    theFUME Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 6, 2001 Messages: 2,489 Likes Received: 1
    thanx

    oh yeah

    i was talkin to my sister and she had been deprsed im not sure if she was on any antidepresents at the time but she did X and ever sence then she ben gettin anxiety attacks alot and everytime she smokes weed.

    mabye she didnt even take X at all jus wondering if it could do a revirse afect to ppl on anti depresents?

    w/b
     
  6. misteraven

    misteraven Administrator

    Joined: May 7, 1999 Messages: 8,763 Likes Received: 307
    Might want to cut out the drugs. It's starting to affect your spelling.
     
  7. theFUME

    theFUME Senior Member

    Joined: Mar 6, 2001 Messages: 2,489 Likes Received: 1
    ok help me or jus mock my unablity to spell correctly either way some one is satisfied

    right
     
  8. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26
    haha, word to that, was it directed at me, or fume? either way, i dont doubt its true
     
  9. dosoner

    dosoner Elite Member

    Joined: Jun 8, 2000 Messages: 3,735 Likes Received: 26
    oh yea, by the way, i belive you can delete your own threads, if you started it right?
     
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